At the unique graduate school I teach at, the Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, a number of the Core Faculty are clinicians and counselors, and we have a PhD level program in clinical psychology as part of transpersonal psychology. Recently I wrote them:
Here’s an interesting question from someone responding to my blog, a young woman graduate student/scientist who has a lot of psychic and transpersonal experiences, but often just wants them to go away so she can be “normal” and a “scientist.” I could try a theoretical response, but how would you real clinicians answer this? I’ll pass the answer’s on, and hopefully they will be educational to many. —- Charley
So how do transpersonal psychologists know what to tell someone who has come in for counseling? I have a counselor that believes my weird experiences are OK. But he doesn’t seem to know what I need to do to be OK about them. He was much better at helping me with a problem I was having as a TA dealing with an unreasonable instructor. That was something he had seen before and it was easy for him to help me do what I needed to do to deal with that problem. But when I show up crying because I’ve seen the ghost of a student who committed suicide, he doesn’t know what to tell me.
I think this is an interesting question for a lot of people, so I’ll share the responses I’ve gotten here. First,
As to what “we clinicians” might do with this young woman: The first thing I would do is listen to what the she is saying. She is communicating that these experiences are “weird” and from your comments she is saying that these experience somehow challenge her “scientific” self. I would start by asking her what does she mean by “weird” and “scientific” self. Sometimes clients have experiences that they are frightened mean that they are becoming psychotic or losing control. Of course they ARE losing control of their ego’s ability to keep things status quo, but I wouldn’t say this at this point. This process of exploring could take several months to move through before I would in anyway begin to normalize her experience. During this time I would listen carefully for any “benefit” she might communicate to me either consciously or unconsciously and I would reflect/explore that with her. I would encourage her to use the “scientific” method and explore hypotheses about these experience. At some point clients usually ask me if other people or if I have had these experiences. This is then an opening for educating them and moving toward normalization. If you try to make these experiences “OK” right away you de-rail an initiatory and transformative process that is probably emerging within the client in a healthy way. Anyway, this is a very quick and simplistic answer to an excellent question raised by this young woman. Hope it helps.
More later.
That’s really interesting. In my experience, pretty much every counselor I’ve gone to has tried to “normalize” things for me right away. That may be because the question of “Have you ever had an experience you can’t explain?” comes up pretty fast. I usually end up feeling badly that I can’t accept my experiences the way the counselors would like me too. I try to, but I can’t. What makes it worse is that I’m so good at reading people, I know what they are feeling. I can tell they want to fix things for me, and I feel like I’m letting them down.
None of the counselors that I’ve seen have tried to get me to use the scientific method to try to explain my situation. I often find that they have issues with scientists, like we are the bad guys who dismiss spiritual experiences as being silly nonsense. And yes, I’ll admit that scientists sometimes do that. I’ve done it. That dismissal is unscientific, and we should all know better, but scientists are human too.
BTW, I find it funny to be referred to as a “young” woman 😀 . I’m quite a bit older than most other grad students are. But I know the NDE thing makes me seem less mature than I really am. I was very innocent and trusting when I first came back from my NDE. In many ways this life started when I woke up after the accident, and in that respect maybe I am a “young” woman.
I assume transpersonal psychologists must have some way of deciding if experiences are pathological hallucinations or transpersonal experiences because the treatments would be different.
How do they make that diagnosis?
This is a question that I see on a lot of paranormal discussions forums. People say they are seeing spirits and want to know how to tell if they are crazy or not.
Usually I suggest that if they don’t have any other abnormal pathology like paranoia, that they are probably not going crazy. Is that right?
I think a clinical/scientific answer to the question is also interesting because it may have implications for parapsychology. If we understand when a hallucination is just a hallucination and when it is more, then we might get a better understanding of how and why psychic experiences occur.
Anonymous,
I’d be interested in knowing how a transpersonal psychologist determines the difference between a spiritual experience and illness too. I know that when I’ve seen counselors I’ve argued that I must be nuts. In the last year I’ve read through all sorts of medical journals trying to figure out what is going on with me, and I haven’t come across anything in those sources that would support the case for me being sane. (I tend to think of myself as being “nuts but OK”.) But every counselor I’ve seen tells me I’m pretty healthy. They don’t see the anomalous experiences as being unhealthy. They just see my difficulty accepting the way I perceive the world as being a problem.
The counselor that I’m currently seeing says I’m too functional to be mentally ill. He also said that the information I got from seeing his colors was too accurate to be delusional experience. He pointed out that imaginary friends don’t usually have obituaries one can look up, or give useful information about where a lost cat might live. I think he is way too easy on the evidence because he would like me to be psychic. I think a lot of people want to believe in this stuff, so they don’t look at cases like mine critically enough. I’m supposed to just believe that I’m “gifted”, problem solved. (Why can’t I just send the gift back?)
Hi Sandy,
I’m not a psychologist but I think if someone is crazy they have problems functioning. If you are in graduate school, married, etc living a normal life you are not mentally ill.
There are many reasons that people sometimes have halucinations that have nothing to do with psychological problems, and there is even debate about whether hearing voices is a symptom of mental illness.
Macular degeneration can cause hallucinations:
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/152/eye_spirits_and_macular_degeneration.html
Hearing voices:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/magazine/25voices.t.html?pagewanted=print
… I should have mentioned in my previous comment that the second article, the one from nytimes.com, also discusses one person’s experience trying trying the medical approach to treating halucinations.
Anonymous,did that person have any luck with the medical approach?
Hi Sandy,
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/25/magazine/25voices.t.html?pagewanted=print
I think you might find the whole article interesting. I recommend reading it. Here is more of it:
That actually scares me a bit. What If I lost the ability to function because of the way I am? People tell me that this is a gift, but what if it isn’t? What if it is just damage from being in a car accident? I’m lucky that what I deal with is a lot like dealing with living people. I can ignore them as well as I ignore my husband when he talks about sports. But what if this gets worse? No one can really prove my experiences are psychic… coincidences happen all the time. And even if they are psychic experiences, how can anyone know if it is safe or healthy to be psychic?
The article from nytimes.com underlines the difficulty in distinguishing a mental illness from a spiritual experience.
Carl Wickland was a doctor who successfully treated many people who seemed to be mentally ill. His method of treatment involved his wife who was a trance medium. Together they were able to help many patients by isolating spirits who were influencing patients and then counseling the spirits. This is described in Wickland’s book “Thirty Years Among the Dead” http://www.spiritwritings.com/ThirtyYearsAmongTheDead.html.