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		<title>Comment on Progress in Meditation? by Dr. Charles T. Tart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 20:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bob D.: I  have found in life that sometimes in life the &quot;smartest&quot; things are say happen when I articulate why I don&#039;t understand something!  Then it turns out that others were puzzling about the same thing but weren&#039;t clear on how to ask about it.
So, sometimes honest ignorance is my most important understanding....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bob D.: I  have found in life that sometimes in life the &#8220;smartest&#8221; things are say happen when I articulate why I don&#8217;t understand something!  Then it turns out that others were puzzling about the same thing but weren&#8217;t clear on how to ask about it.<br />
So, sometimes honest ignorance is my most important understanding&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Progress in Meditation? by Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 06:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Dr Tart. It is sometimes hard to know what to do with these experiences. Right now I&#039;m feeling like everything is too much. If it weren&#039;t for what I&#039;ve been learning through meditation I&#039;m sure I&#039;d be in tears right this moment.

I don&#039;t think the calm, happy sort of meditation does the trick for me. I get overwhelmed by information. I don&#039;t know if having an NDE did this to me, or if this is something that would have happened anyway. I find it helps to just pick out something to focus on when it all feels like too much. I can&#039;t block out the information for long, I&#039;ve tried that. So instead I try to be a good observer and that effort seems to take me out of panic mode.

That&#039;s what I&#039;m doing right now. Trying to pick out one set of colors from a sea of colors. It really is hard to panic when you are being analytical. I know seeing colors around things is kind of flaky, but I don&#039;t have to react in a flaky way. I&#039;m actually feeling much better now. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dr Tart. It is sometimes hard to know what to do with these experiences. Right now I&#8217;m feeling like everything is too much. If it weren&#8217;t for what I&#8217;ve been learning through meditation I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d be in tears right this moment.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the calm, happy sort of meditation does the trick for me. I get overwhelmed by information. I don&#8217;t know if having an NDE did this to me, or if this is something that would have happened anyway. I find it helps to just pick out something to focus on when it all feels like too much. I can&#8217;t block out the information for long, I&#8217;ve tried that. So instead I try to be a good observer and that effort seems to take me out of panic mode.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m doing right now. Trying to pick out one set of colors from a sea of colors. It really is hard to panic when you are being analytical. I know seeing colors around things is kind of flaky, but I don&#8217;t have to react in a flaky way. I&#8217;m actually feeling much better now. <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Progress in Meditation? by Dr. Charles T. Tart</title>
		<link>http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/403/comment-page-1#comment-17621</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meditatoin is about avoiding difficulties?  Don&#039;t get it.  In the long run, yes, meditation is about spiritual growth and enlightenment which should allow a more fulfilling life, but that could mean having many difficulties - and dealing with them in a more enlightened way, rather than having nothing difficult happen in life....
Indeed I&#039;ve heard Sogyal Rinpoche say meditation may make more unpleasant things happen, because it&#039;s speeding up the purification and growth process, but you can handle it if you stick with.  The analogy is you&#039;re dirty and take a shower.  The first effect of the water is to make the dirt yukier, sliding around - but you don&#039;t stop showering at that point.  That&#039;s insight meditation, really wanting to discover the basis of mind.  Some meditation is indeed for creating calm, happy states, that&#039;s fine too.  
Taking notes and trying to understand is excellent progress from my point of view!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meditatoin is about avoiding difficulties?  Don&#8217;t get it.  In the long run, yes, meditation is about spiritual growth and enlightenment which should allow a more fulfilling life, but that could mean having many difficulties &#8211; and dealing with them in a more enlightened way, rather than having nothing difficult happen in life&#8230;.<br />
Indeed I&#8217;ve heard Sogyal Rinpoche say meditation may make more unpleasant things happen, because it&#8217;s speeding up the purification and growth process, but you can handle it if you stick with.  The analogy is you&#8217;re dirty and take a shower.  The first effect of the water is to make the dirt yukier, sliding around &#8211; but you don&#8217;t stop showering at that point.  That&#8217;s insight meditation, really wanting to discover the basis of mind.  Some meditation is indeed for creating calm, happy states, that&#8217;s fine too.<br />
Taking notes and trying to understand is excellent progress from my point of view!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Progress in Meditation? by Sandy</title>
		<link>http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/403/comment-page-1#comment-17620</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 05:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So meditation is about avoiding difficulties? Actually in my case that does make sense. When I started meditating I was in really rough shape. When I look back at where I was when I started meditating, I&#039;m not that person anymore. I still get scared sometimes if something happens that I can&#039;t explain, but I&#039;m more likely to take notes and try to understand those experiences than I used to be. I admit, I still cry sometimes, but then I get out my notebook and make observations too. Meditation made that possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So meditation is about avoiding difficulties? Actually in my case that does make sense. When I started meditating I was in really rough shape. When I look back at where I was when I started meditating, I&#8217;m not that person anymore. I still get scared sometimes if something happens that I can&#8217;t explain, but I&#8217;m more likely to take notes and try to understand those experiences than I used to be. I admit, I still cry sometimes, but then I get out my notebook and make observations too. Meditation made that possible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Progress in Meditation? by jgroove</title>
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		<dc:creator>jgroove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dr. Tart.
I enjoyed this exchange with Shinzen. I thought you might be interested, if you are not already aware of it, in Kenneth Folk&#039;s ideas vis-a-vis progress on the path. Are you familiar with the Progress of Insight as taught in the Mahasi Sayadaw tradition? Kenneth has a great description of this on his site (link below). His &quot;Three-Gear Transmission&quot; is a very interesting blend of traditional Theravadin samatha/vipassana techniques with more non-dual approaches, such as the Witness practice taught by Ramana Maharshi. In any case, he specializes in working with &quot;stuck&quot; yogis--i.e. practitioners who have crossed, in the parlance of the Progress of Insight, the crucial Arising &amp; Passing Away of Phenomena (initial awakening) but have not yet attained Stream Entry. I find Kenneth&#039;s open discussion of states and stages to be quite helpful, though I recognize that this is not for everybody.
Best regards,
Joel
http://kennethfolkdharma.wetpaint.com/page/The+Progress+of+Insight+(Part+One)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dr. Tart.<br />
I enjoyed this exchange with Shinzen. I thought you might be interested, if you are not already aware of it, in Kenneth Folk&#8217;s ideas vis-a-vis progress on the path. Are you familiar with the Progress of Insight as taught in the Mahasi Sayadaw tradition? Kenneth has a great description of this on his site (link below). His &#8220;Three-Gear Transmission&#8221; is a very interesting blend of traditional Theravadin samatha/vipassana techniques with more non-dual approaches, such as the Witness practice taught by Ramana Maharshi. In any case, he specializes in working with &#8220;stuck&#8221; yogis&#8211;i.e. practitioners who have crossed, in the parlance of the Progress of Insight, the crucial Arising &amp; Passing Away of Phenomena (initial awakening) but have not yet attained Stream Entry. I find Kenneth&#8217;s open discussion of states and stages to be quite helpful, though I recognize that this is not for everybody.<br />
Best regards,<br />
Joel<br />
<a href='http://kennethfolkdharma.wetpaint.com/page/The+Progress+of+Insight+' rel='nofollow'>http://kennethfolkdharma.wetpa.....f+Insight+</a>(Pa rt+One)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Progress in Meditation? by Bob D.</title>
		<link>http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/403/comment-page-1#comment-17618</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. Tart,

Thanks SO much for sharing this!  I&#039;m having the same &quot;problem&quot; in my practice, although until reading your post, I was having a hard time articulating exactly what was bugging me.  How convenient to have my own question asked and answered with such clarity and wisdom!

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Tart,</p>
<p>Thanks SO much for sharing this!  I&#8217;m having the same &#8220;problem&#8221; in my practice, although until reading your post, I was having a hard time articulating exactly what was bugging me.  How convenient to have my own question asked and answered with such clarity and wisdom!</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reflections on My Mind – August 10, 2010 by Sandy</title>
		<link>http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/394/comment-page-1#comment-17617</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Tart, when I had my NDE, I was gone. But I was also still me. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Tart, when I had my NDE, I was gone. But I was also still me. <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Gurdjieff I by Sandy</title>
		<link>http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/385/comment-page-1#comment-17616</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 05:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So do we want all three brains to be in agreement? What if they aren&#039;t?

When it comes to my anomalous experiences, my intellectual brain seems to be coping the best. I&#039;ve been reading everything I can on parapsychology to try and make sense of things. I understand that even though we might not understand exactly what causes anomalous experiences, people have them and there is nothing wrong with having them. So that part of me is working through the literature as a means of coping, which I guess is OK.

Meanwhile, my emotional brain is still going &quot;NO! NO! NO! NO!&quot;. And my physical reaction to anomalous experiences has typically been to throw up.

So are my emotional and physical reactions just the stupid ones? Or are they just slower? There was a time when my intellect was very good about rationalizing away any experience that didn&#039;t fit into my worldview. I guess back then, all of my brains were in agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So do we want all three brains to be in agreement? What if they aren&#8217;t?</p>
<p>When it comes to my anomalous experiences, my intellectual brain seems to be coping the best. I&#8217;ve been reading everything I can on parapsychology to try and make sense of things. I understand that even though we might not understand exactly what causes anomalous experiences, people have them and there is nothing wrong with having them. So that part of me is working through the literature as a means of coping, which I guess is OK.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, my emotional brain is still going &#8220;NO! NO! NO! NO!&#8221;. And my physical reaction to anomalous experiences has typically been to throw up.</p>
<p>So are my emotional and physical reactions just the stupid ones? Or are they just slower? There was a time when my intellect was very good about rationalizing away any experience that didn&#8217;t fit into my worldview. I guess back then, all of my brains were in agreement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on States of Being by Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Tart, I&#039;ve been thinking about this post quite a bit. Someone asked me if I go into an altered state of consciousness when pk occurs around me. I&#039;m not really sure.

When pk was happening around me a lot, the RSPK kind of thing where things happened with no control on my park, that didn&#039;t seem to require any kind of change in my state of consciousness that I could notice. Unless being really frightened or upset counts as a change in consciousness. The way I perceived my surroundings didn&#039;t change. That kind of pk isn&#039;t as common anymore. But admittedly, I do my best to avoid situations that might set it off. Maybe being a pk agent was my SOB? (I had to use that acronym! :laugh: )

I&#039;ve been working on doing more controlled pk in hopes of gaining some control over my situation. (Basically, I&#039;ve found a more discrete way of venting.) I wonder when I experiment successfully with controlled pk if I am going into an altered state of consciousness? Things tend to look as if they are almost curving up on themselves. I don&#039;t feel like I normally do. I feel sort of electric. And &quot;things&quot; don&#039;t seem very real, but the colors around things do. There is a funny coherence, like everything is lining up somehow.

I think doing meditation has helped me pay attention to what I&#039;m experiencing when the pk occurs, so maybe before I didn&#039;t notice the changes as much. It does seem like being a pk agent was more like a state of being and that doing controlled pk is more like learning to change the particular state of consciousness I&#039;m in.

I could be mistaken though. Perhaps I misunderstand your terminology?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Tart, I&#8217;ve been thinking about this post quite a bit. Someone asked me if I go into an altered state of consciousness when pk occurs around me. I&#8217;m not really sure.</p>
<p>When pk was happening around me a lot, the RSPK kind of thing where things happened with no control on my park, that didn&#8217;t seem to require any kind of change in my state of consciousness that I could notice. Unless being really frightened or upset counts as a change in consciousness. The way I perceived my surroundings didn&#8217;t change. That kind of pk isn&#8217;t as common anymore. But admittedly, I do my best to avoid situations that might set it off. Maybe being a pk agent was my SOB? (I had to use that acronym! <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/laugh.png' alt='Laugh' title='Laugh' class='tse-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been working on doing more controlled pk in hopes of gaining some control over my situation. (Basically, I&#8217;ve found a more discrete way of venting.) I wonder when I experiment successfully with controlled pk if I am going into an altered state of consciousness? Things tend to look as if they are almost curving up on themselves. I don&#8217;t feel like I normally do. I feel sort of electric. And &#8220;things&#8221; don&#8217;t seem very real, but the colors around things do. There is a funny coherence, like everything is lining up somehow.</p>
<p>I think doing meditation has helped me pay attention to what I&#8217;m experiencing when the pk occurs, so maybe before I didn&#8217;t notice the changes as much. It does seem like being a pk agent was more like a state of being and that doing controlled pk is more like learning to change the particular state of consciousness I&#8217;m in.</p>
<p>I could be mistaken though. Perhaps I misunderstand your terminology?</p>
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		<title>Comment on How I Got Into Parapsychology by Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wendy, I knew that I had seen this before, but I couldn&#039;t remember where. Thanks for reminding me! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy, I knew that I had seen this before, but I couldn&#8217;t remember where. Thanks for reminding me! <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Mindfulness: Can We Live in the Present? by Dr. Charles T. Tart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at Shinzen Young&#039;s writings on the web about the nature of meditation.  Very basically, he sees that any activity which teaches and strengthens your voluntary concentration ability, your clarity of perception of moment-by-moment experiences, and your equanimity in the face of whatever is happening is the essence of meditation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at Shinzen Young&#8217;s writings on the web about the nature of meditation.  Very basically, he sees that any activity which teaches and strengthens your voluntary concentration ability, your clarity of perception of moment-by-moment experiences, and your equanimity in the face of whatever is happening is the essence of meditation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on How I Got Into Parapsychology by Wendy Cousins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Cousins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece! By the way, your &quot;How I Got Into Parapsychology&quot; article was published in the Fall 2009 first editition of the PA newsletter Mindfield (pages 8-9)- complete with dashing photo. It&#039;s archived on the PA website in the members section. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece! By the way, your &#8220;How I Got Into Parapsychology&#8221; article was published in the Fall 2009 first editition of the PA newsletter Mindfield (pages 8-9)- complete with dashing photo. It&#8217;s archived on the PA website in the members section. <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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