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		<description><![CDATA[Background: Notes on an event in a 50+ year attempt to learn and benefit from spiritual practices&#8230;. For some years now, I have been trying various meditation techniques from many world traditions, particularly techniques which meditation teacher Shinzen Young has modified in various ways to make more sense to and be more doable by modern [...]]]></description>
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<p>Notes on an event in a 50+ year attempt to learn and benefit from spiritual practices&#8230;.</p>
<p>For some years now, I have been trying various meditation techniques from many world traditions, particularly techniques which meditation teacher Shinzen Young has modified in various ways to make more sense to and be more doable by modern people.  A month ago, I was participating in one of Shinzen's monthly telephone retreats.  For these, 20 to 50 people telephone  into a conference call number and Shinzen leads us in some guided meditation for 2 to 4 hours.  There's time for reports and questions at the end, and often individual phone consultation with him during a break in the middle of the period.  These "mini-retreats" are a very useful way to stay connected to intensive meditation practice, and much more convenient, inexpensive and practical than flying off to some residential retreat site.</p>
<p>On this particular day, I was participating in a two-hour guided meditation session on a technique Shinzen calls "Do Nothing" (<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ6cdIaUZCA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ6cdIaUZCA</a>).  The basic instruction here is that you don't attempt to <em>do</em> anything in particular, to have any kind of particular meditation experience, or to "correct" or guide what happens in your mind during the meditation.  Indeed, the instruction is that if you sense that you intend to change something, relax that intention.  You're not actively looking for such intentions &#8211; that would be doing &#8211; but, if intentions are noticed, you drop them, relax them.</p>
<p>This is a technique I have not tried much and which I find rather difficult.  But I also find it quite interesting, as I think becoming aware of intentions, especially subtle intentions, as they first well up my mind, is an important factor for my spiritual growth.</p>
<p>Fairly far along in meditation, after a little period of quiet, Shinzen instructed us that the search was over, we didn't have to do anything, we didn't have to try to make anything happen or not happen.  As he said that, a deep feeling of sadness suddenly welled up in me and tears came to my eyes.  I realized that <em>I have never stopped trying!</em> My entire life, from childhood on, has been spent trying to do the "right thing" at practically every moment!  Even though I appear to be a relaxed and easy-going person, even though I think I'm actually quite relaxed compared to people in general, in the background I'm always trying to figure out what the right thing to do is and to do it.  Not that this was and is a "bad" thing to do, but I just suddenly realized how very, very tired of trying I was!  I hoped that someday I would be able to stop for a while and get some rest.  But it was a very faint hope, I was always, always trying, why would anything change?</p>
<p>After a few moments the feeling passed, the tears dried, and I went back to the do nothing practice.  At the end of this telephone meditation retreat I didn't think anything special about it, other than that this insight about how tired I was of always trying, had happened.</p>
<p><strong>Rancho   Palos Verdes</strong><strong> Retreat &#8211; Flow</strong></p>
<p>Two weeks later, my wife Judy and I are at a Catholic nunnery and retreat Center in Rancho Palos Verdes, California, for a 12 day retreat with Shinzen.  While I know he will present a variety of techniques for people to try, with the aim of finding what works well for you or simply making your mind more flexible, I've already decided that I'm going to concentrate on meditation procedures for sensing "flow."  That is, whatever sensory channel I'm paying attention to, input from the five classical senses or the actions of my mind (visual imagery or internal talk), I'm going to try to be aware, <em>with concentration, clarity, and equanimity</em>, not only of the particulars of the content at any moment, but of the way it changes from moment to moment, its flow.  Flow is Shinzen's modern term, which he thinks covers most, if not all, understandings of the crucial concept of "impermanence" in Buddhism.</p>
<p>If I happen to be meditating with my eyes closed, for example, observing visual imagery on my inner mental screen, I might notice that it's relatively restful at this moment, mainly black-and-white or faintly colored dots flickering on and off, like looking at static, "snow" on a TV set tuned to a channel which has no broadcast on it.  But the flickering on and off of these dots can actually be seen as flow, one momentary pattern changing into another.  Indeed, more specific imagery will almost certainly appear as I continue to pay attention, and one image will morph, will flow into another and another and other.  A brief image of a car driving along a highway, e.g., morphs into a forest, which morphs into clouds in the sky, which morphs into a wall, etc., etc.  Keeping aware of these changes, with equanimity, concentration, and clarity, is what Shinzen describes as meditating on flow or impermanence.</p>
<p><strong>Peace &#8211; Resting in the "Nature of Mind?"  Or?</strong></p>
<p>To my surprise &#8211; except I didn't really feel surprised at the time &#8211; I had five or six experiences, each 5 to 20 min. or so long, that were, from their own internal perspective, nothing special, but, from the perspective of my ordinary mind activity, were extraordinary!  I didn't do anything that had the intention of bringing these specific experience or states on, or to maintain them, or to prolong them.</p>
<p>While there is much formal meditating in the zendo (meditation hall) during Shinzen's retreats, one can attend these or not, as one wishes, and I often skip a number of these formal sessions in order to meditate outside in nature.  The retreat center is very pleasant that way, located in the hills above Los Angeles, and having a relatively undeveloped area off the parking lot with bushes, pine trees, etc. as well as more formal gardens and lawns.  In these "extraordinary but nothing special experiences," I would be sitting in a chair, looking off into the distance or at nearby pine trees or bushes, and practicing the previously described observation of flow meditation.  With my eyes open there was always flow in the sensory world: the movement of tree branches in the wind, occasional people walking at a distance, changing automobile noises from cars passing on a nearby road, etc.  With my eyes closed there was always plenty of flow in terms of morphing body sensations, morphing internal visual imagery and morphing internal talking.</p>
<p>Then I would notice, usually when my eyes were open, that I was "at peace."  That phrase doesn't quite describe it accurately, but I'm at something of a loss for words here &#8211; which is unusual for me, a champion talker.  I would be just sitting there, looking at the pine trees, for example, and find I was just contentedly sitting there looking at the pine trees.  I was awake and alert, but no longer doing any kind of technique, I was not wishing for anything in particular to happen or not happen.  I wouldn't say I was practicing the "Do-Nothing" technique, rather I wasn't striving to do or not do anything at all, I was just here, and now.  There was no effort, no striving involved in maintaining this feeling of peace, of calm presence.</p>
<p>I'm tempted to describe this as an experience of Peace, capital P, but from the inside it simply wasn't any big deal.  It's only from my ordinary perspective of knowing how incredibly rare an experience like this is in my life, especially one lasting more than a few seconds, that I realize how extra-ordinary it was.</p>
<p>I think I have experienced something like this only once before in my life.  Several summers ago my wife and I were on a Dzogchen retreat with lama  Tsoknyi  Rinpoche at his country center, Rangjung Yeshe Gomde, in northern  California.  After one of the teaching sessions one afternoon, we found ourselves just sitting on the hillside, watching the clouds move, feeling the wind blow, and the touch of the sun on our skins.  It was just so very peaceful and natural.  Again I make that statement as if this were very special, a retrospective judgment, but at the time it was just natural to simply be there for a few minutes, enjoying the sun, the wind, and the sights.</p>
<p>Although Shinzen's was a silent retreat, I did have my little pocket voice recorder with me, and since I was far enough away from others to not disturb their silence, I dictated occasional notes, trying to capture something of the essence of the experience.  Here's one dictated after several previous occurrences of this sort.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">A moment outside that I think of as a Dzogchen moment.  I'm relaxed and enjoying the touch of the sun on my skin, the warm temperature.  The sound of a chain saw being used nearby is just the sound of a chainsaw, I'm not taking it as annoying, "What a horrible noise spoiling this peaceful place!"  My mind is spacious.  I'm not particularly trying to improve things.  I wouldn't say I'm Here and Now in any profound sense, I'm just here and now, quietly enjoying sitting or walking around.  I didn't do anything in particular to bring it on, except perhaps expected it, as it's happened several times already on this retreat.  I was doing a meditation, mainly on flow, a few minutes ago.</p>
<p><strong>Rigpa, or Resting in the Nature of Mind?</strong></p>
<p>Although I've been a student of lama Sogyal Rinpoche for many years, primarily trying to understand and practice his Dzogchen teachings about rigpa, the ultimate nature of mind, I've always had trouble, though, understanding what "rigpa" means, what "resting in the nature of mind" means.  Sometimes I think I basically understand it, sometimes I'm not at all sure that I understand any aspect of it.  The last few years I've felt that any intellectual attempt of mine to evaluate whether a particular experience is indeed "rigpa" or "resting in the nature of mind" always has the answer, "No."  If I'm trying to intellectually pin it down, I am in an ordinary intellectual state, not in rigpa.</p>
<p>As Sogyal Rinpoche's translation of a Tibetan prayer, Dudjom Rinpoche's <em>Calling the Lama</em> <em>from Afar</em> puts it,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Buddhahood is not attained by fabricated Dharmas;</em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em>Meditation made by the mind, fabricated by the intellect, is the deceiving enemy.</em></p>
<p>During these periods of peace, I felt that this was it, or at least a small manifestation of resting in the nature of mind&#8230;..</p>
<p>Because I hadn't done anything specifically aimed at bringing these episodes on, one of my notes concluded:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">So an important part of "resting in the nature of mind" is not wanting it to be anything in particular.</p>
<p><strong>Thoughts</strong></p>
<p>As I understand it at this time, one of the clearest understandings Buddhism has is that our thoughts often run wild and both delude us and create all sorts of unnecessary suffering.  In my experience, though, this insight is linked to other teachings in many sources about thoughts that make it sound like a state with no thoughts at all is the ideal one.  I know intellectually this is an extreme I think is wrong, for as Sogyal Rinpoche has often taught it's not the arising of thoughts that's a problem, it's the "running after them," getting identified with them and tangled up in them in maladaptive and crazy ways that's the problem.</p>
<p>As I noted during one of these episodes at the retreat,</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">It's not like I don't have any thoughts.  Thoughts come occasionally, but not steadily, not all the time.  They're not terribly "loud," they don't automatically dominate my mind.  I still maintain some touch with the world around me, and can easily let the thoughts go.</p>
<p><strong>Physical Pain</strong></p>
<p>One of the reasons I had decided to focus on meditation on flow on this retreat was that I thought developing more skill at it would be helpful in dealing with my chronic, daily headaches.  If I could focus on various aspects of pain with concentration, clarity, and equanimity, and then see how these characteristics continually changed, either slowly or rapidly, I think the physical pain would create less suffering.  And indeed, I have found this to be true to some extent, although I'm not that good yet at meditating on flow.  The suffering is definitely reduced during a headache while I concentrate on observing flow.  Unfortunately, as soon as I stop doing the formal meditation technique, the headache comes back with its previous intensity, but Shinzen agrees with me that there will probably eventually be carryover from developing skill in meditating on flow that will reduce headache pain.  Here's a note I made on this during one of these peace episodes.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">As I sit here, mainly just being present, looking out at the trees and grounds, I feel a headache coming on.  I can feel that the pain that kind of "squeezes," contracts my head is also kind of "squeezing," contracting my consciousness, reducing its clarity and scope.  I don't know whether it's "squeezing" it directly, or just triggering worries that the pain will get worse, so I worry that I should hurry to take some medication.  But it will be interesting to see if I can stay in this nature of mind &#8211; dare I use that phrase?  &#8230;..   Wow, the pain still builds some&#8230;</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">It's a few seconds later and I'd say yes, I can stay in this "nature of mind," at least temporarily.  I say that because it's easier to just relax, to just let go of a train of thought and come back to the present moment.</p>
<p><strong>Comparison of Peace and Self-Remembering</strong></p>
<p>This is not like Gurdjieffian self-remembering, sensing looking and listening (SLL) usually is for me.  SLL involves a deliberate distribution of attention, a small part of my attention keeping track of body sensations (usually those of the arms and legs), more devoted to listening to the qualities of whatever sounds occur, and, since vision is our dominant sense, most devoted to attentive looking at sight qualities.  For SLL, there is a small effortful quality to it, you have to <em>do</em> it, and when you stop doing it, it's effects (usually but not always aliveness and sensory clarity) stop.  These peace experiences, though, were spontaneous.  I didn't "start" them, I didn't "end" them.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">What's amazing to me now is how it (this state) just goes on relatively continuously, rather than being (when I make deliberate attempts to rest in the nature of mind at other times) just sort of a second or so long, being rather undefined, being hard to see whether I've made any change as a result of my making an effort to turn my mind inward.  I guess I'm blest!</p>
<p>Dzogchen teachings, as I understand them, typically say that when you are resting in the nature of mind, there's no need to do anything else, no need to apply some specific meditative technique, but that if you do engage in such a technique, it is more effective than if you are in your ordinary state of consciousness.  I recalled this during one of these peace states, and decided to try a specific technique.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I just did the hundred syllable mantra, intending it as a blessing on the world, while I was resting in this nature of mind.  It's different than when I do it normally, it just flows more naturally, without being such a big deal.  Yet it takes away from the resting in the nature of mind to some degree to try to do it deliberately, to do a directed practice like this.  Perhaps it would get easier with practice, with "getting used to."  There's that wonderful phrase that Sogyal Rinpoche uses all the time, "getting used to."</p>
<p><strong>Cessation of the Experience of Peace</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong>Anything that starts also ends, and so</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I'm now feeling, maybe half an hour after this clarity began, that it's starting to fade.  It doesn't particularly matter to me, it's just change&#8230;.</p>
<p>But given how satisfying these experiences were, wouldn't I very much want them to continue?</p>
<p><em> </em></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">One of the curious things about my experiences of peace is that I'm not particularly attached to them.  I sort of hope they will occur once in a while again, but it's no big deal!  It's nice to know I can be like that.  I don't think I'd want to be like that all the time, though, I don't think it would be very good for doing my primary work on bridging science and spirituality, writing, and so forth.  Curious that I'm not feeling attached.</p>
<p><strong>Knowing With Words and Intellect, Deeper Knowing</strong></p>
<p>Finally I should note how intellectual knowledge can long precede direct knowledge.  That's not bad, but it's not the same thing at all.  <em> </em></p>
<p>Many years ago, intellectually I had the understanding that it was good to develop an "observer" separate from the ongoing content of experience, as it increased your freedom, but that this observer could indeed ossify and turn into something rigid itself, which prevented freedom, so you later had to break loose from this.  Perhaps I'm now ready to see it on a deeper level than just intellectually</p>
<p><strong>And So&#8230;&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>All this reminds me of Gurdjieff's admonition to work as if everything depends on work, pray as if everything depends on prayer.  Do what I can and do it well, and be open to "gifts."  My intellectual mind that likes to understand things (on its own terms!) can't see a clear reason why these peace experiences happened.  Oh a vague one, yes, all these years of a variety of psychological clearing and spiritual development practices laid the groundwork, but that's not at all specific.  So perhaps I should just relax and accept that, in some deep sense, this was a gift?  And while I want to continue my work of bringing science and spirituality closer, knowing that it's possible to be at peace like this sometimes is indeed a great gift&#8230;..</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Charles Tart Mindfulness Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, Lecture 5, Part 8 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click here. CTT: And that’s the problem with concentrative meditation. With concentrative meditation, some people can develop an enormous amount of concentration power, and they can get rid of pain [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Dr. Charles Tart</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Mindfulness</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><strong>Lecture 5, Part 8 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click <a href="http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/68">here</a>.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	And that’s the problem with concentrative meditation.  With concentrative meditation, some people can develop an enormous amount of concentration power, and they can get rid of pain because basically they’re focused </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>here</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">, and the pain’s </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>there</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">, so it’s gone.  They’re all here.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">But what else are they missing if they’re all focused </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>here</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">?  That’s why the Buddha, who had mastered concentrative meditation, realized this was not a real end to suffering.  When you were in these concentrative states – these </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>jhana</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> states – you got away from all ordinary pains, but eventually you had to pee, to come back from your abstracted, concentrated state to the ordinary, bodily world, and the same chronic problems were still there waiting for you.  That’s what spurred him to develop </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>Vipassana</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">, the insight kind of meditation.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	I got food poisoning a few years ago, and I actually tried to go into it briefly.  Instead I ended up whining like a baby for several hours.  So with something really intense like that, I’m just curious.  What if the pain is driving you to delirium; is that still handle-able?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	I’d say head to the ER instantly so somebody can be checking you from the medical side, and meanwhile you can be doing your internal practicing. In the case of chronic pains, where you know it’s not a medical problem that needs external attention, then sure, the internal approach is fine.  But I mean, common sense would suggest that when you get some sudden, strong pain, that says something is wrong!  Maybe something is badly wrong.  So, again, we’ve got a lot of experts around here in modern life, doctors, who can check that for us.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	This discussion has made me think about – I haven’t been through this experience, but I can imagine childbirth is incredibly intense, and there’s a –</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	My women friends told me my kidney stone was like childbirth. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	Oh, is that right?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	It’s a much smaller baby, but it’s a much smaller “birth canal!”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	I can only imagine.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	And they routinely give twice the analgesic Demerol for kidney stones that they do for childbirth.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	Yeah.  Yeah.  Okay –</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	But I’d just as soon leave these woman’s mysteries to you ladies!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	I can only imagine.  But there’s a whole movement now around the mindfulness technique.  Obviously a lot of women opt for natural childbirth, but now there’s this newer component of the mindfulness training – mindful birthing. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Apparently, if you are really present with it, the oxytocin rush after the contraction is just, like, really blissful.  That is,  you can actually feel how good it is after the contraction.  Because if you’re resisting the pain the whole time – this is apparently the premise, and the people who have gone through it have said that it’s true – there’s resisting, resisting, and that’s your posture through the whole thing.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	Yes.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	Whereas if you’re really mindful and get through the contraction, then you actually enjoy the – you know, your little gift after each one. </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Apparently it’s the chemical part, which it’s really interesting how so many people go through it and the whole thing – three, four, or six hours, however long – is really painful and difficult.  Whereas just the shift of being present with it allows your body to actually experience what the chemicals are trying to help your body experience.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	Oh.  Yes.  In Buddhist cosmology – and don’t ask me to check this against Gurdjieff’s various levels in all this, because I don’t know if this is true; it’s just interesting  – they talk about different realms of existence, which some Buddhists take them as literally existing: the god realm, the demigod realm, the hungry ghost, the hell realm, things like that.  Other Buddhists talk about them as if these are really psychological analogies.  You know, you can find the warring “demigods” on Wall Street, struggling desperately against each other to make more money and all that.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">But Buddhism does teach that the human realm, here, where we are, has the right balance of happiness and pain to be the optimal place to seek enlightenment.  There’s enough suffering here to motivate you to want to do something, but there’s enough opportunity here to be able to do something effectively about it. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Pain is one of those inevitable things, you know.  You’ve got a body.  You’re going to get some pains occasionally.  We can’t really forget about it &#8211; not that we have any choice, since we’re all here in the human realm &#8211; so let’s make the most of it.</span></p>
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		<title>Emotional Intelligence versus Emotional Seizures</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been intellectually impressed for years with G. I. Gurdjieff's claim that we have three distinct types of "intelligence," namely our intellectual mind, what we usually think of as intelligence, our emotional mind, and our bodily-instinctive mind.  I say intellectually impressed, because for many years this was primarily a set of ideas for me, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been intellectually impressed for years with G. I. Gurdjieff's claim that we have three distinct types of "intelligence," namely our <em>intellectual</em> mind, what we usually think of as intelligence, our <em>emotional</em> mind, and our <em>bodily-instinctive</em> mind.  I say intellectually impressed, because for many years this was primarily a set of ideas for me, not something I had a really deep understanding of.  Gurdjieff claimed that much of the suffering of human life comes from the fact that these three types of intelligence are not all trained to function well.  Rather, one of them is overemphasized -verbal intelligence, in my case &#8211; and the other two are left undeveloped and, I would add from my psychological perspective, in a fairly neurotic state.</p>
<p>One of the first ways this became clear to me was when I began training in the Japanese martial art of Aikido back in the 1970s.  I had been impressed with a demonstration of the art, and invited a black belt instructor, Alan Grow, to come to UC Davis twice a week to give instructions.  I started a student club, of which I was faculty adviser, to justify getting space on the mats in the gymnasium for this.</p>
<p>To my surprise and consternation, I could immediately "explain" Aikido far better than my black belt instructor.  As I would later put it, I had a "Black Belt in Talking" by the time I was twelve!  That's an amusing way of saying I was very glib.  But while I could verbally explain Aikido better than my instructor, I couldn't <em>do</em> anything, whereas he could toss me across the mat with what seemed a flick of his wrist.  It took me several years to learn how to learn in a different way.  What was required for Aikido was body-instinctive intelligence, not intellectual, verbal intelligence.  Eventually I learn to pay attention from my body, as it were, and actually begin to really grasp what Aikido is about.</p>
<p>Emotions were even more difficult, as, like most people, when an emotion arose it tended to hijack all of my consciousness, and then make all my perceptions and thoughts centered around and reinforcing that emotion.  If something had aroused a fear response in me, for example, I saw things as more threatening than they probably were, I had thoughts about other times I was afraid, and, of course, my body sensations reinforced the fear.  A fearful stimulus that may have lasted only a few seconds produced a self-reinforcing reaction that could go on for minutes or hours.</p>
<p>I engaged in many personal growth activities in the 70s, 80s and 90s, aspects of the Humanistic Psychology movement as well as a spiritual quest, and gradually learn more about what my emotions were and to be accepting of them.</p>
<p>I would not claim to have become particularly emotionally intelligent, but at least I was no longer really dumb and neurotic about emotions, and, similarly, because of Aikido training and meditation training later, I became more aware of what my body-instinctive intelligence was telling me at a particular time.</p>
<p>This morning I had a particularly clear example of how emotions ought to work when they are reasonably intelligent, rather than undeveloped or neurotic.  My wife Judy and I were having a silly quarrel on a topic we've had silly quarrels about many times over the years, and she mentioned that if she died before I did, I wouldn't have to do the things she expected me to do.  I responded, from an intellectual stance, that this was indeed true, but, on balance, the gains from this would be nothing compared to the loss of her.  To my astonishment, before I could finish that sentence I was all choked up and crying!  And a few seconds later, it was all over!  My emotional intelligence had risen and taken over my consciousness, reminded me of what was really important in my life, and, having perceived that I got the message, had then become quiet again.</p>
<p>This is my understanding of what Gurdjieff had to say about the intelligent way for emotions to function.  Emotions give you a different perspective on situations than intellect or body-instinctual intelligence, they come on powerfully to make sure you notice that perspective, and then, if you've got it, they quickly cease.  On the other hand, undeveloped emotions not only force a message on you, they kick off associations to all sorts of things that have ever felt like this, and you could easily have what I've called in the title of this note, "emotional seizures."  That is, instead of you getting the message right away, so you can act more appropriately, you go on and on with the emotion kicking off thoughts which reinforce the emotion which generate appropriate body sensations which kickoff more related thoughts which reinforce the emotion, on and on and on.  Your mind is seized!  Modern neurological research about emotions talk about how the emotional part of the brain "hijacks" the thinking part.</p>
<p>This is not to say that there are no long-lasting emotions which are useful, necessary and realistic.  Some aspects of life require long consideration, emotionally as well as intellectually and bodily-instinctively.  But most ordinary emotions, when they become intelligent, can indeed, from Gurdjieff's perspective, only last a few seconds, just long enough for you to get that message clearly.</p>
<p>It amazed me that in less the second I became so deeply emotional and was crying, and that it was all over a few seconds later.  But I'm glad to have had this very clear example to share some of my understanding about the nature of personal and spiritual growth, and hope this might be useful to others someday.</p>
<p>These ideas will seem quite sensible and have practical implications when you are in a calm state, and probably be forgotten when a strong emotion takes over: it happens to me that way a lot.  A strong emotion screams "This is the Truth, you feel it, it's Real!!!"  When that happens I try to note what the actual message of the emotion is and also remember about emotional hijack.  It's like a very loud alarm siren is shrieking and it's hard to think, but don't feel too bad about yourself during that alarm&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Inviting Spirit by Reducing the Noise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Charles Tart Mindfulness Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, Lecture 5, Part 5 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click here. CTT: Now once in a while, the transpersonal does get through to us. So one way to grow is to hope to have an overwhelming transpersonal experience that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Dr. Charles Tart</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Mindfulness</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><strong>Lecture 5, Part 5 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click <a href="http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/68">here</a>.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	Now once in a while, the transpersonal does get through to us.  So one way to grow is to hope to have an overwhelming transpersonal experience that will </span><em>force</em><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> a new way of looking at reality on you, that’s going to be such a revelation that – </span><span style="font-size: medium;"><em><strong>wham!</strong></em></span><span style="font-size: medium;"> </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">– it’s got your attention, and you feel a need to try to center your life around it, to live in accordance with that.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Probably the most certain way to induce that – more certain than all the usual mystical paths – is to have a near-death experience (NDE).  Most people who have a near-death experience find their life tremendously changed.  They’ve been talking with God for a while.  Even the atheists.  They have an especially hard time when they’ve been talking with God in terms of reconciling what they are experiencing with their belief system&#8230;..    <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/wink.png' alt='Wink' title='Wink' class='tse-smiley' /></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">The trouble is, the </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>near</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">- part is very tricky!  So it’s not a method I recommend at all.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Most people who get that close to death don’t tell you about a fantastic transpersonal experience.  They get buried.  So you don’t want to go that way.  If life pushes you that way – okay.  C’est la vie.  But the more gradual spiritual paths are attempts to induce transpersonal experiences that can break through.  That’s one of the routes.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">The other route is what you might call the </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>noise reduction</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> route.  The quieting down of the cocktail party so there’s going on in your head to give you chance to “hear” those higher kinds of things, and that’s what the mindfulness techniques do.  That’s what certain kinds of psychotherapy do.  They try to produce </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>space</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> between your thoughts and feelings and images, so that you can hear more subtle kinds of things</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">That’s the thing we’ve been focusing on.  None of the stuff I teach in the mindfulness course really has anything to do with directly trying to induce transpersonal experiences, </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>per se</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">.  It has an indirect effect of making it more likely that such an experience might happen because it cuts that noise level way down.  That’s where we’re focusing.  But if the higher experiences come, learn from them.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	I was wondering if your concept of noise here is analogous to Gurdjieff’s concept of the number of forces that are acting in a particular plane, or realm.  He advocates cutting the number of forces by half, making the material world less dense.  I’m looking for the connection to that thought.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	You can make that connection if you want.  It's interesting, but I didn’t make it.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	Okay.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	Gurdjieff’s idea of the number of laws acting at various levels and all that – that always struck me as intellectually interesting, but something I would have no idea of how to find out whether it was true or false. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">I mean, it’s true in a general, psychological sense.  The more neurotic you are, the more restrictions there are on your experience and behavior.  The more laws you’re limited by, in a sense.  But whether these are specific laws – you know, whether there’s a book somewhere that states what these particular laws are and that they divide strictly by halves or – I don’t know, and I don’t know how to figure it out.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">So if you find that sort of stuff useful to help you move along, great.  But I don’t know what to make of it.  Sometimes I think Gurdjieff made it all up to get Ouspensky, who was so compulsively intellectual, off his back! </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">You know, Ouspensky was such an intellectual.  Oh, he wanted everything explained in precise intellectual terms, and sometimes I think this laws and forces stuff was a sop Gurdjieff threw to Ouspensky&#8230;..but probably not.  Probably he thought this was the real stuff&#8230;&#8230;. and maybe it is.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	My impression in reading it is that he was creating a symbolic representation of an individual, just like you alluded to in answering my question.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	Yeah.  It’s certainly true psychologically, that the more neurotic and conditioned you are, the more laws restrict your behavior, even if they’re nonspecific.  Well, they’re specific for you.  You may be conditioned in a certain, specific way that, say, closed doors make you nervous.  That puts a restriction on your ability to use rooms in an efficient, comfortable kind of fashion.  When you have some therapeutic insight into what’s behind that, and kind of let go of that mechanism, it’s like you gained another degree of freedom, because now closed doors don’t bother you.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Student: 	Whew.  Thank God he opened that!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">So that’s the little review I wanted to give you.  Okay?  We’ve been working with the three boxes in the left and upper part.  The fourth one is there.  We hear more about the fourth one in other kinds of courses.  If any of you take the altered states course next quarter, we’ll be talking some about altered states that have some things to do with these higher sorts of things, but I’m functioning as a “noise reducer teacher” in this particular class.</span></p>
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		<title>Practicing on Two Paths</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once in a while I stop to think about what my spiritual practices are and where they might be going.  Not that my conceptions about it are anything final, but just as a guideline to myself, at the moment, and possibly of use to others.  So on the Rigpa Fellowship retreat last week, I was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once in a while I stop to think about what my spiritual practices are and where they might be going.  Not that my conceptions about it are anything final, but just as a guideline to myself, at the moment, and possibly of use to others.  So on the Rigpa Fellowship retreat last week, I was thinking that my current practices fall into two main lines of work.</p>
<p>One of these paths, centered around the vipassana-type meditations I've learned from Shinzen Young, is about exploring the deeper nature of my mind.  On it, typically I'm sitting still with my eyes closed, observing some set of internal reactions.  If I'm paying attention to external sensations, like sound, still, my primary interest is in the internal reactions that are created, and in learning how to observe them with concentration, clarity and equanimity.  On this path, I learned a lot about how my mind works, either in response to sensory stimuli, or how it functions when it's not being driven by external stimuli, not being engaged in coping with the external world, but running on its own.  For example, I've learned how difficult it is for me to follow the simple instruction to simply pay equanimous attention to the qualities of sensation X, without getting lost in acceptance or rejection, or trying to change X, or trying to prolong or shorten it.  One of the most insightful things I see, even after years of practice, is that there are usually subtle biases to try to make my experience be of such-and-such quality, rather than simply observing it as it is.</p>
<p>I feel like this exploration of the inner workings of my mind gives me a deeper understanding of myself, and I have some faith that, as Shinzen says, paying equanimous and clear attention to these internal processes eventually clears out a lot of junk in the way the mind functions.  It also trains the skills of concentration and clarity.</p>
<p>The other main line is centered around my Dzogchen practice with Sogyal Rinpoche.  Now I should qualify what I'm going to say by noting that I consider myself a "poor" student in terms of what I think is the standard model of a "good" Vajrayana student.  I don't do the various sadhana, mantra-type practices, simply because I have no real faith that they will somehow make me acquire a lot of merit which will automatically up the quality of my spiritual life.  It would take a lot of time and energy to do 100,000 of this, that, or the other practice, and I think that, for me, that time is better spent in my work advancing knowledge as a transpersonal psychologist.  These kind of practices undoubtedly work for other people, but they just don't appeal to or resonate with me.  At times I worry that this means that I'm never going to make much spiritual progress because I am a "bad" student and I'm not following the basic instructions.  At other times I remember, because of course I'm motivated to remember this, that Sogyal Rinpoche says he offers a lot of practices, and while he recommends them all, he also strongly recommends that you find the practices that inspire you and work for you, and concentrate on them.</p>
<p>I should also add my usual qualification that my feeling of whether I understand the basic Dzogchen approach varies wildly, ranging from "I think I basically understand the main practice" to "I have no idea what they are talking about!"  So I need to occasionally evaluate what I think I do or don't know, but not get too attached to such evaluations&#8230;..</p>
<p>The Dzogchen practice which is of most concern to me is that of suddenly turning the mind inward, instead of being lost in the ongoing contents of mind, lost in one's "story."  This is based on the traditional teaching that samsara is mind turned outward, lost in its projections, nirvana is mind turned inward, directly seeing its own true nature.  When I take a moment to turn the mind inward, there is usually a brief moment to a few seconds in which the ongoing stories and reactions I was having to various content before, my "story," dies back down, and I'm simply here, now.  The vast majority of the time, my experience is that it's nothing "special."  I'm just here, now.</p>
<p>This is, in one way, a great disappointment to me in terms of my expectation that Dzogchen, touted as a fast path to enlightenment, would produce all sorts of wonderful spiritual experiences that would reassure me that I was on The Path and doing the right thing.  But I've decided that, in general, I'm not the kind of person who has extraordinary experiences, but I am a sensible, grounded person, able to be somewhat helpful to others.  Whether this is a rationalization for my inability to practice in a way that produces "spiritual" experiences, or whether it's the truth, I don't know.  Again a concept that is useful in some ways, but which I had better not got too attached to&#8230;..</p>
<p>On the other hand, since my usual state is to be lost in my thoughts and reactions to external situations, <em>samsara</em>, these occasional moments of simply being calmly here and now are rather extraordinary, extra-ordinary, outside or beyond the ordinary.</p>
<p>I'm seeing my current spiritual practice, then, as following these two main paths.  Usually I sit for 20 minutes or so each day to do eyes closed, vipassana-type meditation, and sometimes when doing this I learn something new about the nature of my mind.  Usually it's just a calming, restful period of time.  As to its long-term "purification" effects, I'm not sure, I hope that's what's happening, as Shinzen believes.  The Dzogchen practice of turning the mind inward, on the other hand, I find useful primarily in the midst of ordinary life.</p>
<p>Although it would probably be a mistake to totally equate them, I find this Dzogchen turning inward practice ("resting in the nature of mind" or "<em>rigpa</em>") to be like Gurdjieffian <em>self-remembering</em> practice.  In both cases I deliberately use my attention and intention to stop being caught up in the ongoing, unceasing story of reactions of my mind and come to the present.  As I've written elsewhere, when I first began doing this Gurdjieffian practice, for many years the immediate effect was a feeling of not only being here-and-now but of being much more alive, much more in contact with my environment and with myself.  Now it seldom seems that special, it's just here-and-now, but that's still quite good!</p>
<p>Okay, this is all very nice, but I must remember that the primary point is learning to be in the present, here-and-now, accurately perceiving what's happening outside and inside, rather than coming up with more and more clever sets of words and concepts about what's going on!</p>
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		<title>Small Song of Small Realization?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote the following (do they still call it blank verse, or has poetry changed since I was in high school a zillion years ago?) while on a 10-day retreat last week with Sogyal Rinpoche, the Tibetan lama who wrote the best-selling Tibetan Book of Living and Dying a few years ago.  My wife and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote the following (do they still call it blank verse, or has poetry changed since I was in high school a zillion years ago?) while on a 10-day retreat last week with Sogyal Rinpoche, the Tibetan lama who wrote the best-selling <em>Tibetan Book of Living and Dying</em> a few years ago.  My wife and I have been attending his West Coast retreats for 25 years or so, working on understanding and practicing the Dzogchen Buddhist path to spiritual growth.  I alternate between the extremes of sometimes thinking I basically understand the Dzogchen approach, it's like (but not identical to) Gurdjieffian self-remembering, and often thinking I have no idea what Dzogchen is all about!  I was feeling pretty good about understanding at least part of Dzogchen last week, and the following expression of that understanding arose in me.  I'll slip out of would-be poet role and back into psychologist role and elaborate on the technical terms after the poem.</p>
<p>Small Song of Small Realization?</p>
<p>Ordinary samsara.</p>
<p>A moments stimulus, sixth consciousness</p>
<p>Fast reaction, seventh consciousness</p>
<p>I like, I dislike, which reminds me, which I like or dislike which reminds me….</p>
<p>On and on and on.</p>
<p>My endless story of ME, MY FEELINGS</p>
<p>New stimulus</p>
<p>Not noticed much or clearly</p>
<p>I'm busy with my story…..</p>
<p>New stimulus: added into my Story, twisted to fit,</p>
<p>Seventh rules sixth, believing is seeing…..</p>
<p>I think I'm aware, but</p>
<p>Just deeper into samsara, moment after moment, hour after hour.</p>
<p>Many brief moments through the day</p>
<p>A few seconds of just being here, noticing what's happening</p>
<p>Nothing special, just here, now</p>
<p>My story is interrupted, I'm calm, present</p>
<p>Stimulus comes along, sixth consciousness</p>
<p>I notice it</p>
<p>Perhaps think no further about it</p>
<p>Perhaps think just a few helpful thoughts, don’t get carried away</p>
<p>Radiance of rigpa?</p>
<p>Stopping once in a while, turning mind in</p>
<p>No big deal</p>
<p>Yet I don't add my crazies to my ongoing crazies for Big Crazies….</p>
<p>Less samsara in my day…..</p>
<p>Elaborating&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Samsara</strong>:  Buddhist term for ordinary consciousness, which is seen as a badly distorted form of consciousness.  Our perception of world and self is badly distorted by the three main driving forces of greed/attraction, aversion/rejection and ignorance (of reality and of one's true Buddha nature).</p>
<p><strong>Sixth Consciousness</strong>:  Traditionally each of the main five senses is considered a kind of consciousness, and (ordinary) mind is considered the sixth kind of consciousness, a consciousness which takes the input of the senses at any one time and simply and objectively names their object and perhaps brings up some immediately relevant, objective information about them.  Right now, my sixth consciousness says "computer screen" as I look straight ahead, "coffee cup" as I look to my left, "bookcase" as I look to my right.</p>
<p><strong>Seventh Consciousness:</strong> This is an almost completely conditioned, automatic elaboration of the simple perceptions of sixth consciousness into our personal "stories," our hopes, fears, etc.  So there is a feeling as I notice the computer screen in front of me of satisfaction, of pride, I'm a writer, I'm good at it, and an undercurrent of anxiety &#8211; this monitor has been acting a little flaky lately, suppose it breaks, it will be expensive to replace it&#8230;..That coffee cup, I need to take it to the kitchen and wash it, I'm so tired of washing out coffee cups, maybe it I just leave it out my wife will wash it for me, oh damn, how can I think that, I'm a lazy person, why can't I be more responsible?  Ah, the bookcase, look at all those books!  I'm so smart to read so many books, I'm happier thinking about how smart I am rather than how lazy I am&#8230;..</p>
<p>According to Buddhism, greatly supported by the discoveries of modern psychology, we almost never stay with simple sixth consciousness perception, automatic seventh consciousness reactions take over almost instantly and can be strong enough to effectively blot out or distort simple, objective perceptions.  I've used mild illustrations of this here, but the emotional dynamics and psychological defenses of our individual selves can have us dwelling in our "stories," our dramas, most of the time.</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I like, I dislike, which reminds me, which I like or dislike which reminds me….</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">On and on and on.</span></p>
<p>A perception, my like or dislike, which triggers associated likes and dislikes, which triggers more, on and on and on, the original sixth consciousness perception lost in the drama.  New events, new stimuli which are strong enough to get our attention are often almost instantly distorted by the seventh consciousness to fit right into our ongoing story&#8230;..And our illusory existence, samsara, continues and builds&#8230;..</p>
<p><strong>Many brief moments:</strong> In Dzogchen turning the mind inward to notice what's there, in Gurdjieffian terms self-observation or self-remembering.  Succinctly expressed in Buddhism as samsara is the mind turned outward, lost in its projections.  Enlightenment is mind turned inward, directly seeing its own true nature.  Rigpa is one of the names for the true nature of our minds, our Buddha nature.</p>
<p>So I'm in samsara, then I turn mind inward for a moment.  A sensory event, a stimulus comes along then and it's just sixth consciousness perception, it's just a bookcase, no activation of my personal "story" about how wonderful I am, how much I know.  I glance at the bookcase again, notice a book sticking out, close to falling off the shelf, I'll push it in next time I go over that way, back to the moment.  Here's my mind, here, now, nothing "special" about it, just calmly here &#8211; but that's pretty special compared to the usual ongoing, self-stimulating drama of ME!</p>
<p><strong>Radiance of rigpa</strong>:  It's not that the goal of Buddhism is to stay forever in a state of mind that's absolutely calm, where nothing ever happens.  That's not our nature.  Our nature of mind, our rigpa, moves, thinks, creates, like the sun radiating light and heat.  But to have it stay close to sixth consciousness perception, not get twisted into my story&#8230;..that's something!</p>
<p>I called this a small song of small realization, question mark.  No big deal, yet very fundamental.  Coming back to the moment every once in a while during my day, I don't get so carried away, I don't have fantasy building on fantasy, amplifying samsara.  Perhaps not a big deal insight, but I like it&#8230;.</p>
<p>So once again:</p>
<p>Small Song of Small Realization?</p>
<p>Ordinary samsara.</p>
<p>A moments stimulus, sixth consciousness</p>
<p>Fast reaction, seventh consciousness</p>
<p>I like, I dislike, which reminds me, which I like or dislike which reminds me….</p>
<p>On and on and on.</p>
<p>My endless story of ME, MY FEELINGS</p>
<p>New stimulus</p>
<p>Not noticed much or clearly</p>
<p>I'm busy with my story…..</p>
<p>New stimulus: added into my Story, twisted to fit,</p>
<p>Seventh rules sixth, believing is seeing…..</p>
<p>I think I'm aware, but</p>
<p>Just deeper into samsara, moment after moment, hour after hour.</p>
<p>Many brief moments through the day</p>
<p>A few seconds of just being here, noticing what's happening</p>
<p>Nothing special, just here, now</p>
<p>My story is interrupted, I'm calm, present</p>
<p>Stimulus comes along, sixth consciousness</p>
<p>I notice it</p>
<p>Perhaps think no further about it</p>
<p>Perhaps think just a few helpful thoughts, don’t get carried away</p>
<p>Radiance of rigpa?</p>
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		<title>Dealing With Emotions: Levels of Practice in Buddhism and Gurdjieff Work</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Listening to some Buddhist teachings for dealing with emotions last night, and to fellow students' understandings these teachings, I put together a number of things that struck me is saying something about levels of dealing with emotions. The first level, what we might call the level of not particularly dealing with an emotion, is the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listening to some Buddhist teachings for dealing with emotions last night, and to fellow students' understandings these teachings, I put together a number of things that struck me is saying something about levels of dealing with emotions.</p>
<p>The first level, what we might call the level of not particularly dealing with an emotion, is the ordinary level of simply and automatically identifying with the emotion as it occurs.  This is the automatization of ordinary consciousness.  The emotion then mobilizes most or all of your consciousness to fit in with it, brings up related material like memories and similar emotions, and creates a "story" centered around the emotion that can take you far from reality, and that can goad you into doing things which will create a lot of karma, which you will later regret.  An emotional "storm" may go on for minutes or hours after the original stimulus arousing it has ended.</p>
<p>The next level of dealing with emotions would be trying to detect them as they happen but then keep them from rising to a strong level, where they take you over.  This could be done by concentrating on something else, by deliberately pushing the emotion down, by getting involved in some other activity to take your awareness energy away from the emotions.  This is useful if it keeps you from acting on emotions in a way which would get you into trouble or create bad karma, and/or reinforcing particular emotional triggers and reactions.</p>
<p>The next level of dealing with emotions, which I have heard Sogyal Rinpoche  stress the last couple of years, is when you realize that emotions are rising, direct your attention to the qualities, the nature of the emotion itself, rather than to the object the emotion has been aroused by.  If a person makes you angry, for example, stop focusing on that person, and try to note the qualities of anger itself.  From my own experience with Gurdjieff type work, I would say that means paying a lot of attention to body sensations, and, from Shinzen Young's vipassana work, paying attention to the internal talk or internal imagery that's associated with the emotion.  The big emphasis is on the ongoing, moment-by-moment qualities of the emotion, not the object of the emotion.  If Bob Smith, e.g., says something that gets me angry and I let the anger take me over, I will be focused on my negative perceptions and on that bastard Bob Smith, the anger will continue to run in an automatic way, etc.  Focusing on the qualities of the emotion itself will keep the story from developing and take the wind out of the sails of the emotion.</p>
<p>The highest level, what I think of as the Dzogchen level, will involve looking inward to try to perceive "who" is feeling the emotion.  This strikes me as the ultimate way of transcending the emotion, and I have some experiential feel what it is like, although it's difficult to describe.</p>
<p>All of these ways of dealing with emotion strike me as useful, at a minimal level as tending to inhibit the expression of negative emotions which will probably generate negative karma, reactive consequences, and, at a deeper level, of cutting down identification with emotions and stories that are associated with various emotions.</p>
<p>What I find missing from Buddhist approaches, as I have been exposed to them to date, is Gurdjieff's idea of <em>emotional intelligence</em>.  Gurdjieff taught that emotions, <em>properly trained</em>, are forms of intelligence.  They alert you to possible realities in your ongoing situation that may require your attention and action.  An intelligent, well functioning emotion then would grab your attention with its quality and power, you would then look more closely at various aspects of reality to see if there is something you need to do.  What you need to do might be take some external action or investigate some specific aspect of the workings of your mind.  Having alerted you, the emotion quickly dies away.  That is intelligent emotions, according to Gurdjieff, are very brief, rather than starting stories which go on for minutes or hours after the event that stimulated them.</p>
<p>I don't think I've been exposed to teachings in a Buddhist framework which talk about making emotions more intelligent.  Rather the general attitude that I think has been there is that emotions are a source of suffering, they drive our samsaric existence, and so we want to disempower these motions.   Compassion is the big exception, as the development of it is an essential part of enlightenment.</p>
<p>As usual, I qualify the above thoughts my noting that I'm not a Buddhist scholar, so I'm sure there are some forms of Buddhism that are different from what I've said above.</p>
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		<title>Consciousness Dynamics, Going On to Higher Centers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Charles Tart Mindfulness Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, Lecture 5, Part 4 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click here. CTT: Now one of the reasons that I’m reviewing this, is that it takes us to the fourth diagram in the lower right-hand corner of the handout, and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><a rel="attachment wp-att-668" href="http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/665/fig-for-blog-3"></a>Dr. Charles Tart</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Mindfulness</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><strong>Lecture 5, Part 4 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click <a href="http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/68">here</a>.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	Now one of the reasons that I’m reviewing this, is that it takes us to the fourth diagram in the lower right-hand corner of the handout, and that’s another way of looking at our topics, particularly from a mostly Gurdjieffian viewpoint, but I have the nerve to call it a “Tartian” viewpoint too, so this is what I think about things, it’s not straight Gurdjieff.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">We ordinarily have input from the world, just like in these other diagrams.  We have this, all this input processing that shapes these various kinds of perception, and Gurdjieff divides it into these three primary centers or “brains” – intellectual, emotional, and bodily/instinctual.  I just labeled them as the dominant center and two secondary centers, and which center is dominant depends on the particular person.  For most ITP people, I’d say it would probably be the intellectual center, or it could be the emotional center for a lot of people.  Probably not too many body instinctive types; they don’t usually show up that often in institutions of higher education.</span></p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-668" href="http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/665/fig-for-blog-3"><img title="fig for blog" src="http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/fig-for-blog2.jpg" alt="" width="602" height="416" /></a></p>
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<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Each of those kinds of centers have their effect on the kind of automated processing of input that comes in.  That’s why the information flow arrows go two ways; each takes in information to a particular center, which affects the way these automated processes vary and modulate what you think is actually out there in the world.  And the final creation of all these things is your internal experiential processes – your story, your inner life, and things like that.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Now the interesting thing is that Gurdjieff said we actually have five centers, or “brains” or processes, not just three.  I think he mainly called them brains.  I think centers and processes is a better word for it than brains.  There’s a </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>higher</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> intellectual center and a </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>higher</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> emotional center, and the interesting thing Gurdjieff taught about it was that while among our ordinary three centers, one of them is overdeveloped and the other two are generally greatly underdeveloped, the higher emotional and higher intellectual centers are already fully developed and fully functioning.  There’s a higher intellectual center that already has enormous understanding of reality, and a higher emotional center that already has a higher, enormous understanding of value, and I’m deliberately stressing the word </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>value</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> in there.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">But for all practical purposes, most of the time these two centers might as well not exist.  That’s why I’ve put “noise” there in the figure blocking the inputs from these two higher centers.  These centers send their judgments and evaluations about reality to us and they kind of bounce right off.  Our constant internal chatter creates a screen of noise that these higher centers can almost never get through. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Once in a while they get through, and people often talk about a “mystical experience” or a “revelatory” experience at that point.  Those higher centers are up in what we might call the transpersonal level.  The ordinary centers – the stuff we’ve been focusing on, are just down in the more ordinary, physical, material kind of realm.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">But the two are related in the sense that as long as the noise level is very high, it’s very hard for the transpersonal realm to manifest.  The analogy I often use is the transpersonal realm is like a couple of very wise people at a cocktail party trying to give you important messages, but it’s a cocktail party.  You can’t hear them!  The noise is going on.  You want to dance and gossip, and these two funny-looking folks are whispering over in the corner.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">What have they got to say?</span></p>
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		<title>Consciousness Dynamics, Living in Illusion</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 21:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Charles Tart Mindfulness Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, Lecture 5, Part 1 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click here. CTT: Any kind of habit you can set up at the early learning stages of becoming more mindful is a good habit. Do watch for the point where [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Dr. Charles Tart</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Mindfulness</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><strong>Lecture 5, Part 1 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click <a href="http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/68">here</a>.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	Any kind of habit you can set up at the early learning stages of becoming more mindful is a good habit.  Do watch for the point where it starts to become just a stimulus to trigger off the </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>fantasy</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> of being mindful, though, instead of actually doing it. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">I don’t know how many times I remembered that I wanted to come to the present and be mindful, and so I thought about it, and fantasized about it, but I didn’t make the shift of attention to notice what was actually happening now.  I got caught up in my </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>thoughts</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> about the now instead.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Ouspensky recommends changing “alarm clocks” when an alarm clock gets like that.  Find something different that will trigger you off.  So, for instance, you could set up a kind of conditioned response that every time you touch a doorknob, you’ll come to the present; and that might work for hours, days, maybe even weeks.  But when you find yourself having fantasies about being mindful when you take a doorknob in your hand, it’s time to drop it because we don’t need to learn how to condition ourselves further.  We’re already very good at that!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Now since I feel like you’re all being very mindful, I’m going to do a little review here at a conceptual level, but I ask that you try to keep some touch with the present while I get intellectual this way.  You can do it by keeping some attention in your arms and legs; by looking around some, rather than staring fixedly at any one thing for too long a time; by noticing the </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>quality</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> of sounds as well as understanding the content of the particular words I’m saying; and in each of your individual cases, there may be some other particular kinds of sensations or actions which will help you be mindful, too.  Experiment.  What works for you?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">The little sheet I’ve passed out – everybody got one? – has four drawings on it.  If we were going to look at these, we’d say the order is upper left, upper right, lower left, lower right.  I’m just going to review these.  You’ve seen the first three before, and then I’ve added a new one that I created a couple of days ago when I sat down to do a formal meditation session. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">My meditation went “poorly.”  Instead of having any luck at all coming to the present, the goal of my meditation, I kept having the idea for this diagram that would help you guys understand something.  So I decided that maybe my higher self is telling me the good outcome of this meditation will be a diagram.  Or maybe it was just an excuse for not being able to concentrate&#8230;.    <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/wink.png' alt='Wink' title='Wink' class='tse-smiley' /> </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">The upper left corner diagram </span><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">[figures presented separately here</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">] – I told you this is my representation of one of the ways Shinzen Young talks about ordinary consciousness, or living in </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>samsara</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">, living in a state of illusion.  You’ll remember I said that while some spiritual schools take an extreme position that the world really is an illusion, what the emphasis really is in most spiritual schools, as far as I can tell, is not that the world </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>is</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> illusory, unreal – that’s a metaphysical position, you can believe what you’d like to on that, but be careful about stepping out in front of cars! – but that the point is that we distort our perceptions of the world and ourselves so much that we effectively live in an illusion.</span></p>
<p><a rel="attachment wp-att-641" href="http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/639/diagram1-2"><img class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-641" title="Ordinary samsaric perception" src="http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/diagram11.jpg" alt="" width="528" height="405" /></a></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">So on the left hand side here, you’ve got primary simple perception.  Right now, for example, it’s bright.  It’s warm.  It’s quiet.  You feel the chair pressing up against your butt and your back – very simple, primary sorts of things.  Maybe the movement of your clothes against your skin as you move, the sensation of breathing – simple, primary sorts of things.  What the Tibetans call <em>Sixth Consciousness</em>.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">But we almost never spend much time in focusing on those simple, primary perceptions.  When we do Vipassana meditation, we do something like that.  But that’s not our ordinary way at all.  Instead, we get into all sorts of processing of the perceptions that involves, on the one hand, elaboration of them into various thoughts and feelings and memories and hopes and fears and plans; and on the other hand, abstraction – that, insofar as you maintain some kind of contact with the world around you, it’s with higher level abstractions about the world where you “perceive” – quote, unquote around perceive – that we’re sitting here in a </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>classroom</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">.  Classroom is an abstraction.  It doesn’t begin to take in the details of this actual particular classroom at this particular point in time.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">So we have an enormous amount of automatic processing.  Generally, we have no control over whether it’s going to happen or not.  We’ve been conditioned to have it happen.  It happens.  It runs automatically.  And this automated process is working over your primary simple perceptions in both abstracting them and elaborating them.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">One analogy we might use is that you’re the CEO of a major manufacturing company.  You get some reports passed up to you, but you don’t keep track of every little widget, and where it is on the production line, and whether shipping has got so many boxed up and all that.  You look at more abstract kinds of things like profits over the past month, or something like that.  You have hopes and fears about growing the company, or avoiding a downturn.  You don’t stay very much with the manifold actual details.  That’s not a terribly good example, but it will do.</span></p>
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		<title>Mindfulness: Satisfaction and Frustration</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because I have written several books on mindfulness, not just classical sitting meditation but the Gurdjieffian application of mindfulness to real life, (-Waking Up: Overcoming the Obstacles to Human Potential;- Living the Mindful Life; and -Mind Science: Meditation Training for Practical People), I often get communications from people wanting to go further than an introduction, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because I have written several books on mindfulness, not just classical sitting meditation but the Gurdjieffian application of mindfulness to real life, (-<em>Waking Up: Overcoming the Obstacles to Human Potential;- Living the Mindful Life</em>; and -<em>Mind Science: Meditation Training for Practical People</em><strong>), </strong>I often get communications from people wanting to go further than an introduction, they want my advice on what spiritual path is best for them.  I'm very satisfied, on the one hand, to have gotten them seriously interested, but very frustrated, on the other hand, both because I'm a scientist and scholar, not a Spiritual Teacher who knows the truth and because I (and pretty much everybody else) have little knowledge of what are the good resources out there versus the more cultish and dead end groups.</p>
<p>While I hope that the field of Transpersonal Psychology will advance so much that in a few decades I'll be able to give great advice to these folks, Transpersonal Psychology is still a tiny, under-supported field and progress is way too slow&#8230;..</p>
<p>This is to share an example of the kinds of questions I get and my responses.  I have disguised the identity of this questioner to protect her or his privacy and paraphrased the communication for brevity.</p>
<p>Hello Dr. Tart.</p>
<p>My name is ********* .  I really enjoyed <em>Waking Up</em> and am on my second round with it.  In between I read Ouspensky's <em>In Search of the Miraculous</em> as it was recommended in <em>Waking Up</em> for people interested in pursuing further Gurdjieff's ideas.</p>
<p>As a Zen practitioner and having had interest in psychology since I was young, you have my attention!  I feel I have well above average perceptive abilities, that is to say, aware of my thoughts, beliefs, distortions, reactions and such. I can see it all very clearly.</p>
<p>The reason I am writing is that, as mentioned in <em>Waking Up</em>, I perhaps have some emotional issues (listed) that I am not sure whether they need to be addressed before seriously going further on this path.</p>
<p>I have been living in Japan for 5 years and although I really enjoy living here (despite the earthquakes), I feel there might not be enough resources for someone like me who wants to find a group and/or therapist to aid in my waking up. There is one Fourth Way (Gurdjieff) group in Tokyo but it's in Japanese (not so much a problem, but I wouldn't want to miss the subtleties as well as specific cultural issues might not apply to me).</p>
<p>I guess there are 2 things I wanted to ask and get your opinion on.</p>
<p>(1) Do you think there are/know of any resources someone in my position overseas could find in terms of a Fourth Way group, or is it best to go back to the States for that?</p>
<p>(2) Being that I have a good degree of self-awareness and self observation, are the emotional issues I have enough to warrant NOT going further down the road of serious work with Gurdjieffian methods?  I know it might be hard to access that not knowing me, but&#8230;I guess that disclaimer in the book just gave me pause. [I had noted in <em>Waking Up</em> that serious emotional issues could easily derail what one thinks of as a spiritual search into neurotic activity]  I really feel like between 2 stools as these emotional issues keep pulling me back into patterns that are hard to break on my own.</p>
<p>Well, I am sorry for writing so much as I am sure you are a busy guy. Thanks for your work and insights.. I am really enjoying discovering this work.</p>
<p>Here's how I responded.</p>
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<p>Dear ********,</p>
<p>It has taken me a while to answer you, as I cannot give you the answers I would really like to give.</p>
<p>&gt; First, let me say I really enjoyed <em>Waking Up</em> and am on my second round with it.&lt;</p>
<p>You might find my other two books on mindfulness useful.  Same basic subject, different ways of expressing myself.  One is <em>Living the Mindful Life</em>, the other is <em>Mind Science</em>.  It often takes me several different presentations of things, in different styles, to learn them. The latter book may be hard to find though….And remember, my books are introductions, far, far from the final word…..</p>
<p>&gt; There is one Fourth Way group in Tokyo but its in Japanese (not so much a problem, but I wouldn't want to miss the subtleties as well as specific cultural issues might not apply to me).&lt;</p>
<p>That's a realistic concern.  You might learn some things and entirely miss others if the Japanese are as subtle as they are usually depicted.</p>
<p>Getting to the heart of the matter,</p>
<p>&gt;(1) Do you think there are/know of any resources someone in my position overseas could find in terms of a fourth way group, or is it best to go back to the States for that? &lt;</p>
<p>I have no idea about G groups in Japan.  I have written a friend about it who is in the G Foundation, but he's traveling now and I'm not sure he's going to be able to offer any useful advice for your situation.</p>
<p>&gt;(2) Being that I have a good degree of self-awareness and self observation, are the emotional issues I have enough to warrant NOT going further down the road of serious work with Gurdjieffian methods?&lt;</p>
<p>In my <em>ideal</em> world, which I fear has little connection yet with the actual one, although I hope it does someday, any spiritual development group would have both psychological and spiritual work, with enough sensitivity and competence on the teachers of each to know when you need more of the other.  A meditation teacher, e.g., who knows when to say "Don't sit so much, take that up with your therapist," and a psychotherapist who knows when to say "I think that issue is reduced enough that you can go on with the relevant spiritual work, see that teacher for more instruction," or, even more importantly, "I think you are using this spiritual practice as a way of avoiding this basic psychological issue."  (spiritual bypass)</p>
<p>There are many G groups, so there might be some that have more psychological savvy, but maybe there aren't…..So I can't recommend any in particular.  On the other hand, you say you have emotional issues, but so does everybody.  Are they strong enough to seriously hinder your ordinary living?  If not, you can probably profit to at least some degree from G work &#8211; although some of the G groups are, of course, cultish.  I rather wish we had the spiritual equivalent of <em>Consumers' Reports</em> magazine, "Group M has a cheerful tone but most people leave after a few months, undamaged but with little growth.  Group N is unpleasant in tone, but those who stick it out claim significant growth, although about 5% are psychologically damaged by the work……"</p>
<p>Sorry I can't be more helpful.  I am glad when I can get people interested in spiritual growth, and frustrated that after giving them a start I can no longer be of much help……</p>
<p>Charles T. Tart</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Charles Tart Mindfulness Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, Lecture 4, Part 15 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click here. CTT: Now I have to introduce a business item, because I got the notice that it’s time for the mid-quarter review. So they sent me a sheet that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Dr. Charles Tart</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Mindfulness</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><strong>Lecture 4, Part 15 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click <a href="http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/68">here</a>.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	Now I have to introduce a business item, because I got the notice that it’s time for the mid-quarter review.  So they sent me a sheet that says what you’re supposed to get from this course, and I have to ask you whether you’re getting anything like it.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">So let’s see.  The course objectives, three of them – (1) on the academic level, to familiarize the student with the nature of ordinary consciousness and its often mindless nature with the possibilities of becoming more perceptive, mindful, and sensitive in life.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">We gettin’ any?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">I’ll give you the other two.  I think these can all go together.  (2) On the professional level, to sensitize the student to recognize the occurrence of relatively mindless functioning and its implications for dealing with the person experiencing them.  And (3) on the personal level, to foster sensitivity to variations in the functioning consciousness, and so be able to discern more appropriate and mindful styles of cognition and action.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Okay.  I think things are going very well, but this is the time for – if there’s something big being left out, or creating confusion or something like that &#8211; this is the time to speak about it so I can do a mid-course correction.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	Good job.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Student:	Yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	Yeah.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	This mid-course review never works.  Everybody always says we’re doing fine, let’s get on with it. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">But they (the Administration) say I have to do it.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	I appreciate the structure you have surrounding the papers.  I like passing them between class members and getting various people’s feedback, and I like writing one each week.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">And also, I was trained as an engineer and worked in the field for almost 20 years as an electrical engineer, and I appreciate the linear nature of your person, that I had seen as caused by or based on some of your engineering training.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	The linear nature of my person?  What does that mean?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	Well, I think art or software programming or things involving being near the heart are very non-linear.  And you’re not going this way, this way, this way.  However, there are a lot of processes in things that are very linear, including scientific thought and organizing things.  You bring a certain linear perspective to stuff that is difficult to talk about, and I feel like you manage that well with a difficult subject.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	Okay.  Thank you.  I try to remain comprehensible.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	Seems like judging a class on mindfulness would be somewhat paradoxical.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">I mean, it’s like hard to go wrong.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	Well, it could go wrong.  We could just do this on a very intellectual level and come up with some nice words.  That wouldn’t do it. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">I feel – but I guess I should ask for more direct feedback on this – by now, has everyone had at least a taste of what it’s like to be more mindful?  If anybody hasn’t had even a taste of it, then I haven’t been doing something right. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">I’d love to be able to know how to teach this so that you all became very mindful and it became a permanent change in you, and all that.  I don’t know how to teach that effectively.  I don’t know how to be that effective myself.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">But if everybody’s got a taste of it, so you know that direction is there, then I think that’s a little seed that’s going to be useful throughout the rest of your careers and your lives.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	I’ve appreciated being able to integrate this mindfulness into everything that I do.  I was having difficulty being able to do that, and this has been very helpful.  I think being in this environment is very helpful.  I wish I could stay in this environment forever.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	By this environment, you mean this particular class, or ITP in general?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	First, this particular class, and it does extend to ITP.</span></span></p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A colleague and I have been corresponding about meditation research and our personal experiences of meditation.  He recently wrote me that it's a widespread belief that in meditation, a person can observe their own thoughts.  That idea didn't make sense in his personal experience, as for him, thoughts were a process, not an "object" you [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">A colleague and I have been corresponding about meditation research and our personal experiences of meditation.  He recently wrote me that it's a widespread belief that in meditation, a person can observe their own thoughts.  That idea didn't make sense in his personal experience, as for him, thoughts were a process, not an "object" you could look at.  How could thoughts be observed?</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">I found his question stimulating and wrote him as follows.</span></p>
<p>Glad you raised this issue, let me try to be more specific.  Perhaps my ruminations will be of use to you.</p>
<p>Back when I was trying to learn and practice simple concentrative or vipassana (insight) meditation procedures, the instructions would say something like pay attention to, just focus on the sensation of breathing (typical concentrative) or on whatever the most prominent bodily sensation of the moment was, without trying to change it, having equanimity about it (common vipassana focus).  But "thought" to me meant that for a second or two I would be able to have strong awareness of the designated focus, and then at some later time (too embarrassingly often minutes) I realized that a verbal thought and/or internal visual imagery/thought had come along and I had been totally swept away on a long train of such thoughts, with no contact with the designated focus sensation at all during that time.  Then I could feel embarrassed or guilty at being such a poor meditator and try to focus again.  A few more seconds and off I went again on some new thought train, quite involuntarily.  There was no "observer" of the thought train, the contents of the thought train were all of my conscious experience.</p>
<p>My inability to not get carried away like this was what led me to the conclusion years ago that whatever special talent it took to be a meditator, I didn't have it, so I pretty much gave up attempts at formal meditation.  As I've lately expressed it, "meditation" always seemed to mean "First quiet your mind and then&#8230;.." and I could never get to the "and then&#8230;." part.  [Fortunately I also discovered Gurdjieffian self-remembering around this time which worked very well for me, so my personal mindfulness life did not come to a standstill, but that's another story.]</p>
<p>The last few years of meditation training with Shinzen Young have been a tremendous change.  He first trained me and others to observe the flow of body sensation, basic vipassana, with as much clarity, concentration and equanimity as possible.  Then on one retreat he had each of us imagine, eyes closed, various visual images and note "where" the images seemed to be.  For me, as for most people, it was like there was a projection screen behind my eyes, and most of my visual imagery occurred there.  If I kept some attention on the "tactile" quality of that area, I became much more sensitive to the visual images that appeared there.  If I slipped down some into the hypnagogic state &#8211; and sleepiness comes way too easily for me when I attempt to meditate! &#8211; the imagery was much more intense.  As I and others developed some skill at this kind of vipassana, Shinzen reminded us that visual imagery was one aspect of "thought."  Well of course he was right, but I had never conceptualized it that way &#8211; I had learned to observe an aspect of thought.  Curiously, the particulars of my visual imagery generally seem unrelated to other conscious concerns of mine, although the dreamlets may start from something I was thinking about before.  I was observing, rather than producing this imagistic thought, although at times I can deliberately alter this kind of imagery.</p>
<p>Then another exploration exercise on that retreat, focusing on internal auditory imagery.  Perhaps it was in one's own voice, perhaps in other voices, perhaps just sounds: <em>where</em> did it seem located?  For me, practically all of this "talking to myself" comes from the middle of my head, between my ears, up at the back of my throat.  Compared to visual imagery, which may range from vague, shifting shapes and colors to more concrete forms to little dreams, "dreamlets," auditory imagery, "talking to myself" is very specific: I can report the exact words I heard.  If I keep some "tactile" attention on that spot I am much more sensitive to detecting such auditory imagery.</p>
<p>And curiously, if I keep that area tactilely "relaxed," there is almost never any auditory imagery, so I begin to suspect that the old theory that internal conversation is subtle activation of one's vocal cords has something to it.  I can make my mind much quieter that way.</p>
<p>I still often find I have been carried away from whatever the formal focus of a meditation was supposed to be by a stream of thoughts, by a stream of visual and auditory images.  But sometimes I become aware of auditory imagery, talking to myself, within a few words of it starting, although this conscious attention on it usually stops it.  Then I'm aware of the auditory quiet.</p>
<p>So insofar as observing one's thoughts means observing the visual and auditory components of it, I've come a long way.  I believe there is a subtler form of auditory imagery too, although I seldom detect it.  Shinzen once described detecting it with an image that resonated with me from going fishing during my boyhood: it's like picking up a cloth bag full of wriggling worms.  Something, lots of somethings, is/are happening, but it's vague and non-specific.</p>
<p>OK, that's what I mean nowadays by observing thoughts, and it's a much clearer conception and experience to me than it used to be.  I guess I never heard what "observing thoughts" meant in the meditative traditions, perhaps they never really clarify it, but I think I picked up an idea that one should have been able to observe one's own thoughts the way you could listen to someone else's talking, understanding it while having your own independent stream of consciousness.  It's never been like that for me, perhaps it's not possible&#8230;..Does any of this resonate with your experience?</p>
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