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		<title>Do I feel what you feel?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, Lecture 3, Part 9 of 13 parts. To start class from beginning, click here. Student: Is it possible to sense other people’s feelings while you’re doing the exercise? CTT: Are you? Student: A little bit. I was just wondering if that’s possible. CTT: How do you [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;" align="CENTER"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, </span></p>
<p style="margin-left: 1.5in; text-indent: -1.5in;" align="CENTER"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"><strong>Lecture 3, Part 9 of 13 parts. To start class from beginning, click <a href="../archives/68">here</a>.</strong></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	Is it possible to sense other people’s feelings while you’re doing the exercise?</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">CTT:	Are you?</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	A little bit.  I was just wondering if that’s possible.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">CTT:	How do you know that they are other people’s feelings?</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	I have a feeling they are.  I don't know. </span></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">CTT:	I would say experiment with that.  And there is a good theoretical reason why.  I mean, there’s a sense in which, as these bodies come from the factory they already have, what should we call them, </span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"><em>empathetic receptors</em></span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"> built in to sense what other people are feeling, because the basic human being senses things the same way, has emotional feelings the same way.  When we’re caught up in our heads, as we are so much of the time, we’re not very sensitive to what goes on in our bodies. </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">The analogy I like to use is based on Gurdjieff’s idea of three kinds of brains.  An </span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"><em>intellectual brain</em></span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"> which you’re all familiar with, it talks.  Oh boy, does it talk!  A </span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"><em>body brain</em></span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">, which functions to take in information about you and the reality around you, processes it in its own unique style, and expresses its conclusions as </span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"><em>patterns of feeling in the body</em></span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">. </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">But if you never pay attention to the feelings in your body, it doesn’t matter whether the body brain processes it or not.  You don’t get it.  So you’ve got an “advisor” that might give up good advice, not infallible advice, but advice.  But you have to learn to “listen” to it, to sense its conclusions. </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">Same way with the emotions, Gurdjieff talked about the </span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"><em>emotional brain</em></span><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">.  That has its own unique style of taking in information about your world and you, and coming to conclusions about and expressing it as emotional feelings.  And emotional feelings have very strong body components too. </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">So again by keeping some attention in your body, in a way you’re training your emotional sensitivity without working directly on it.  You may indeed then be picking up, or be becoming more sensitive to, messages that are reflecting how other people are feeling &#8212; or sometimes it may be “fooling” you.  None of our senses is infallible, so you just have to experiment with getting more sensitive to them. Checking and crosschecking them against other things when that’s feasible, and staying slow and present, like I’m trying to model for you here and now.  When I get a little theoretical like that, I have to watch very carefully that I don’t get caught up in the talking brain and forget to sense, look and listen. </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	I just wanted to respond to that and say that yeah, I believe it’s highly possible.  In semiotics, it’s called appropriate (***** unclear in transcript) sense, and it’s important to be able to discern because if one isn’t discerning, one doesn’t know whether they’re experiencing their own emotions or somebody else’s emotions.  And somebody else’s emotions can be recognized as different and “foreign.” I think it’s an important thing to understand.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">CTT:	Yeah.  Keep sensing, looking and listening.  I started to get a little theoretical there. </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	My apologies.</span></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">CTT:	Yeah.  I got to be careful with that.  I don’t want you to get the illusion that I know at every moment how well each of you is doing and so I know who’s failing right now.  I don’t want that style projected on me. </span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">(Laughter) </span></p>
<p style="padding: 0in 0in 0.01in; margin-bottom: 0in; border: medium medium 1px none none solid -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color #000000;"><span style="font-family: Comic Sans MS,cursive;">But sometimes it’s pretty obvious whether people are in their bodies or getting way up in their heads. </span></p>
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