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		<title>Ideal science and Real Science: Don&#8217;t You Dare Question My Objectivity!</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've recently been in correspondence with a young graduate student who has been dismayed to find out how much subjectivity can occur in her life when she is supposed to be a scientist, training in a hard, respected physical science.  I think many people in general, who are overly impressed by science, as well as [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've recently been in correspondence with a young graduate student who has been dismayed to find out how much subjectivity can occur in her life when she is supposed to be a <em>scientist</em>, training in a hard, respected physical science.  I think many people in general, who are overly impressed by science, as well as other people training in any sciences, will be interested in what I wrote to her.  I noted:</p>
<p>It strikes me you're getting a lot of advanced tutoring in <em>real</em> science.  Ideal science is done by completely rational people, nobly searching for the truth, with no biases of any sort, and certainly no "lower emotional processes" affecting the quality of their reasoning.  This makes being a scientist an extremely high prestige position, so naturally, since we are attached to our high prestige social positions, no one would want to admit that their practice of science is anything but that.</p>
<p>Then we come to real science, which is done by actual human beings.  Real human beings have emotional brains that operate faster than their rational brains, have needs to succeed and be accepted, fears that they won't succeed or be accepted, etc.  To varying degrees real scientists work to overcome their emotional problems (with various degrees of success) and biases, and, in the long run, the need for replication and reproducibility in science tends to filter out results which really are due to the bias of particular individual investigators.  But the "long run" can sometimes be generations or longer, not one journal issue to the next.</p>
<p>So yes, doing something parapsychological like ESP or PK involves using very delicate psychological faculties, and we don't know anywhere near enough to control all the angles.  Recognizing this is a step in maturity, knowing your own human qualities.</p>
<p>To give you an example of the human factor in science, one of my friends about 30 years ago was a graduate student in geology in a leading department.  Now you don't get a much "harder" science than geology, do you, all those hard, solid rocks?  But he and I had some discussions about the psychological phenomenon of projection, the very powerful human ability to see what you believe, with no idea that you're actually projecting your beliefs into something.  So I mentioned that my wife, who loves geology, would often, on our hikes, say that we were looking at such and such a formation &#8211; and I couldn't see it.  What was apparently clear to her was a lot of lines running every which-a-way to me.  She would regard me as ignorant, and I would tease her that maybe geologists were making all these things up.  So my friend mentioned to his geology professors that perhaps they should do some studies to see just how objective and reliable geological classifications were &#8212; and they practically threw him out of the department!  He learned to keep his mouth shut after that.</p>
<p>So, we tend to talk about the "hard" and "soft" sciences, physics versus sociology, e.g., but I prefer to talk about the hard and the easy sciences.  Things like physics, chemistry, etc. are the easy sciences.  It doesn't matter what you had for breakfast the morning before you come into the lab, your relationship with your partner, etc., the same old things reliably happen in your experiments.  Sciences like psychology or parapsychology are the really hard, difficult sciences because all these subtle things do matter, and, not only do we not know much about the specifics of that, we don't want to know because we still cling to our feeling that we are superior, objective beings, <strong><em>scientists</em></strong>!</p>
<p>Welcome to reality.  Tread carefully, especially around other human beings who are too invested in their objectivity.</p>
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		<title>Meditation, Monasticism, Buddhism, Materialism &#8211; Preliminary Thoughts</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Twenty five hundred years ago, Gautama Siddhartha, the historical Buddha, had some deep insights and created powerful techniques that would allow major reductions of human suffering.  Traditionally the Buddha is said to found a total end to all suffering.  Perhaps that's true, perhaps it's not.  I don't know, but certainly Buddhist meditation techniques and related [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twenty five hundred years ago, Gautama Siddhartha, the historical Buddha, had some deep insights and created powerful techniques that would allow major reductions of human suffering.  Traditionally the Buddha is said to found a total end to all suffering.  Perhaps that's true, perhaps it's not.  I don't know, but certainly Buddhist meditation techniques and related practices can greatly reduced individuals' suffering.</p>
<p>From that time on, to greatly oversimplify, you can talk about two main streams of Buddhist activity.  The heart of Buddhism is the monastic tradition, monks and nuns so dedicated to achieving enlightenment for their own sakes and for the sake of others that they devote their entire lives to living in ascetic conditions and practicing meditation and prayer.  The other main stream is the beliefs of the common people, in essence, that the Buddha was some kind of god, or at least had supernatural abilities, as the monks and nuns also do to various degrees.  These people were too busy trying to survive and  earn a living, and so could not meditate very much themselves, but they could earn merit, which would go toward improving their future lives, by worshiping the Buddha and by supporting the monks and nuns with alms and other donations.  I'm speaking very generally, of course, and you can find many variations on these themes.</p>
<p>As Buddhism moved into cultures that were radically different from the Indian culture Buddhism originated in, it often had to make various and sometimes major adaptations to fit into its new culture.  One of the major adaptations some teachers of Buddhism are making in bringing Buddhism to the modern world, particularly the West is to try to reconcile it with what we know from science and psychology.  This has interesting results, some of which will probably make Buddhism more effective in the long run, and others which can greatly undermine the historical form of Buddhism.  In terms of the latter, I'm especially thinking of the way science is so frequently equated with an overarching philosophy of materialism.  It's not essential to equate science with materialism, of course &#8211; see my "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/ASIN/1572246456?tag=psychologicalpro">The End Of Materialism: How Evidence Of The Paranormal Is Bringing Science And Spirit Together</a>" book-  but science has had, by far, its greatest successes in learning about the material world.  We all like success, so an attitude of materialism, only what is material &#8211; known physical objects and physical energies &#8211; is real, pervades most of modern life.</p>
<p>From this materialistic perspective, Buddhism may be psychologically effective in reducing individuals' suffering, ultimately through meditation's physiological effects on the brain.  But it carries an enormous amount of superstitious baggage with it.  There are no divine beings, Gautama Buddha is not some kind of god, e.g., or bodhisattvas may be real historical people who reduced their own suffering and helped others, but they have not become minor gods that are worth praying to, or worshiping the Buddha is a useless and misleading thing to do except insofar as it may psychologically sooth you &#8211; albeit at the cost of having a fundamentally wrong belief about the nature reality, which will probably lead to a variety of negative consequences.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I have nothing against materialism per se as a philosophical approach to the world.  What I object to is the shortsightedness and arrogance that allows too many believers of it to believe that <em>all</em> truth is encompassed by this view, and thus that there's no need to actually check in with reality to see how well this kind of explanation actually works.  Many things can be explained completely and controlled effectively by material means, and I'm all for progress continuing on these fronts, but many important things can't be.</p>
<p>What led me to these thoughts today is thinking about the idea that <em>traditional Buddhist monasticism is tremendously threatened by an attitude of materialism</em>.  If you're very rich, of course, it's no big deal to help to support a few monks or nuns.  But for the majority of people, why should they spend significant amounts of their very limited resources supporting people who sit around trying to get enlightened and pray, when prayer is one of those superstitions we need to discard?  From a materialistic point of view, praying is talking to yourself.  Perhaps psychologically the monks praying is good for <em>them</em>, even if it involves a major illusion about the nature of reality, but why should we give donations for them to pray for <em>us</em>?  Wouldn't it be better to spend our money on socially useful projects, building schools and hospitals, e.g., or on our own security and pleasure?</p>
<p>My own understanding, drawing from my 50+ years of knowledge of research within scientific parapsychology, is that we have very high quality, scientific evidence that, for example, our minds are more than just the material functioning of the brain, that some things like prayer and psychic healing can sometimes have real effects in the real world, or that telepathy could be a mechanism for prayer to have real effects beyond the person praying, and so materialism is only a partial view of what reality is, it's foolish and unscientific to discard everything spiritual in a wholesale manner.</p>
<p>All religions, including Buddhism, are undoubtedly full of superstitions that are factually wrong, but to totally throw them out, to assume that <em>anything</em> about the spiritual is inherently nonsensical, is a major mistake.  It's not only a mistake in scientific terms &#8211; you don't ignore or irrationally reject data just because it doesn't fit with your other beliefs &#8211; it's something that psychologically harms many people.  That's because many people have various kinds of spiritual experiences, and to then have scientific Authority Figures say this is all error and nonsense on their parts is to devalue and reject some of their most essential aspects of their lives.  I've spoken and corresponded with innumerable people who have had this happen to them.  It hurts!</p>
<p>I'm hardly the first person to notice that these two extremes of uncritical credulity for anything labeled spiritual on the one hand, and total rejection of spirituality for materialism on the other hand, are not very healthy for the human spirit.  Too many of our values are based in our spiritual and religious views, and to declare them  all superstition is to reduce us to the level of animals.  If we think we are nothing but animals, we are more likely to act that way, with the consequences of such actions.  The founders of the Society for Psychical research in England, more than 125 years ago, saw this problem and advocated that the <em>methods</em> of science could be used to start separating the true from the false, the wheat from the chaff in the sphere of religion.  I'm sad to say there has not been much progress yet.  We have slowly accumulated high quality, laboratory evidence of the reality of things like telepathy, so I have argued in my "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/ASIN/1572246456?tag=psychologicalpro">The End Of Materialism</a>" book, that it is scientifically invalid to simply throw out all spiritual and religious ideas without examination.  But there is so much more we need to know, so much more that research about the spiritual could clarify!</p>
<p>The basic theme running through my career has been to try to build bridges between the best of science and the best of spirituality.  Both these fields have much nonsense in them, although science has vital self-correcting mechanisms usually not found in religion and spirituality.  I have basically proposed that the testing methods of essential scientific inquiry be used to refine and clarify religious ideas, but I suspect that this proposal is too threatening to many people.  For those who have a strong investment in some religious or spiritual path, they may well see science as the enemy which has ridiculed their beliefs, and so want nothing to do with it.  Further, because spiritual beliefs are so important to our emotional well-being, the idea that some of them might be <em>wrong</em>, or that <em>all</em> are subject to examination by scientific method, might be very threatening to people.  Many scientists, on the other hand, have actively rejected religion in favor of a materialistic, but apparently scientific, worldview, and do not like the idea that they have been making a major mistake by not actually examining the phenomena of religion scientifically.  Or they have not so much made an active decision to ignore or reject the spiritual so much as this attitude has been conditioned into them by modern life and their conventional scientific education.</p>
<p>Coming back to traditional Buddhism, Western ideas, with their heavy materialistic bias, are spreading more and more over the world.  Traditional Buddhism, which supports monastics for the supposed benefit of their prayers, may go on for a long time in some parts of the world, but have little power to establish itself in the more modern world.  Personally I think this would be a great loss.  My best understanding of the parapsychological evidence to date is that monks and nuns praying for us may actually be doing something useful in reality, it's not simply a form of delusion.</p>
<p>As a scientist, that view is, of course, always subject to further test.  Some of what I believe along these lines may turn out to be correct, some research may produce further evidence supporting it, and, even more importantly, as we gain a better scientific understanding of what, for example, makes prayers (or psychic healing in general) more likely to be effective, we may be able to greatly increase the usefulness and efficacy of monastics (and us ordinary people) praying for the world.</p>
<p>Is there much chance of applying the essence of science, "essential science" as I called in my book, to improve our knowledge of and efficacy of spiritual work?  Good question!  I've worked to promote this idea in many rational ways, and I pray for it, in the hope that my prayers are somehow effective in reality, not just a psychological phenomena within me.  The chance of success?  Good question!</p>
<p>Finally I will note that my understanding of Gautama Buddha's ideas is that they were compatible with a basically scientific approach to reality.  In his <em>Sutta to the Kalamas,</em> for example, he constantly tells people to check ideas and beliefs against their experience, against what actually can be observed to work, rather than simply whether they are popular or supported by authorities (including himself), etc.  That's probably the most important part of essential science: <em>all</em> ideas must constantly be checked against observable, experiencable reality, and must be modified when new observations require us to go beyond the current conceptions.  Unfortunately I often get the impression that as Buddhism as became an established institution for many centuries, this call to check ideas against reality has been turned into a too fixed belief that Gautama Buddha's understandings were the last word on ultimate reality, he was omniscient, and so new observations and ideas are simply checked back for doctrinal compliance with what the Buddha thought about things, rather than against a wider observation of reality.  This is one of the things that I'm sure will have to change as Buddhism becomes more important in modern culture and tries to be more compatible with science.</p>
<p>Some modern teachers promote an atheistic kind of Buddhism.  Meditation practices have effects on your brain which make you happier.  I am all for anything which makes people happier in a healthy way &#8211; but if you reduce the effects of meditation to brain functioning then, as a scientifically inclined Westerner, my response is fine, the drug companies should be able to develop a pill to produce the same happiness, I hope they develop it soon as all that meditation can be pretty tedious&#8230;&#8230;  But all I know, my "best estimate" as a widely-informed scientist, is that there's more to spirituality than nothing but particular electro-chemical patterns in the brain, and we need to understand that "more" to really benefit others and ourselves&#8230;..</p>
<p>(added 1-28-12)</p>
<p>A while after posting the above, I had a "vision" (small v, image arising, rather than big V, Vision from Above) of where Buddhism without any reality to the spiritual, Materialistic Buddhism, could go with the right research.  It's a sarcastic, critical vision in some ways, as well as humorous &#8211; but insofar as it could reduce human suffering, I'm all for it!  As long as it doesn't further distract us from the vitally needed research on what's real about the spiritual and how to optimally live with it&#8230;..</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 18:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A colleague of mine was inspired hearing about the Brian Green show (Nova: The Fabric of the Cosmos) this week on the universe, especially the parts about "dark matter" and "dark energy."  He tended to see it as validating religion.  I'm all for validating or reinforcing the best aspects of religion and spirituality &#8211; after [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A colleague of mine was inspired hearing about the Brian Green show (Nova: <em>The Fabric of the Cosmos</em>) this week on the universe, especially the parts about "dark matter" and "dark energy."  He tended to see it as validating religion.  I'm all for validating or reinforcing the best aspects of religion and spirituality &#8211; after we <em>discriminate</em> the sense from the nonsense as best we can &#8211; but I think it's intellectually sloppy, even if emotionally needful, to try to validate what we don't understand (religion) by what we don't understand (dark energy).</p>
<p>I saw the show and it was fascinating, although I think the great graphics tended to be wonderful visual entertainment rather than really explaining any of the science.  But much better for me, at least, than empty abstraction.  This is a series &#8211; try to catch the rest.</p>
<p>But what is "dark" energy and matter?  Does it really convey some sort of spiritual quality?  Or that certain truths are part of the mystery of God and forever veiled from us?  The necessary faith and confidence for doing science &#8211; or for living life, for that matter &#8211; is that we are smart and will be able to figure most things, if not all things, out.  When one's arrogance is high, we'll be able to figure it all out.  When we get stuck and frustrated we may admit that perhaps the human brain maybe can't work it <span style="text-decoration: underline;">all</span> out, but can still do great things&#8230;..  This is necessary "faith," for if you start thinking "I and we aren't very bright, we probably can't learn anything," that is likely to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.  To quote, as I'm sure I have before, Henry Ford, "Those who think they can and those who think they can't are both right&#8230;..</p>
<p>"My colleague seemed to think that the postulating of dark matter and energy was a refutation of what I've described in <em>The End of Materialism: How Evidence of the Paranormal is Bringing Science and Spirit Together</em> as <em>scientism</em>, the materialistic philosophy overwhelmingly dominant in most areas of science that says everything can and will eventually be explained in terms of physical matter and physical energy.  Because "dark" energy and matter are not matter as we know it?</p>
<p>But that's not the case.  Scientism is a philosophy of materialism, <em>everything</em> is made of matter and energy.  If we can't explain something now in terms of known forms of matter and energy, then it's an item of faith that, as we discover new forms of material matter and material energy, we will then be able to explain things in expanded materialistic terms.</p>
<p>As I'm sure I've said many times before, <em>scientism is not science</em>, although most people, including most scientists, think it is.  An essential part of a genuinely scientific theory is that it is capable of <span style="text-decoration: underline;">dis</span>proof, of making observations which are quite incompatible with the theory.  When scientism encounters something inexplicable in terms of current materialistic theories, though, it keeps the faith by saying <em>someday</em> we will explain it in physical terms, including a wider understanding of what "physical" means.  This is what philosophers long ago named <em>promissory materialism</em>, as you can't ever disprove that someday they won't explain it in terms of material entities and forces (or little green men or angels or devils or aliens or whatever you prefer). I try not to fall into scientism, even though it's a prestigious thing to do as it leads to more social acceptance.  If I had wanted to be very successful in conventional terms I would never have followed a career that kept looking into things that were taboo, that were heresy in materialistic terms.</p>
<p>Essential science &#8211; see again my <em>The End of Materialism: How Evidence of the Paranormal is Bringing Science and Spirit Together</em> book &#8211; always puts data, observations, experience first and foremost, and if your theories to explain them, materialistic, mathematical, socialistic, religious, whatever don't actually work, too bad for the theories and beliefs.  Study the data more closely, see what you can learn.</p>
<p>In our times, though, we spiritual beings &#8211; I think that's what we all essentially are &#8211; have our spirituality badly repressed and rejected because of scientism.  But we try to find some means to justify being more spiritual, justifying, rationalizing by trying to find scientific reasons to be more spiritual.  So we can take developments like dark energy and matter as pointing toward a mystery beyond human understanding, as pointing toward God or Spirit.  It's commonly done all the time in New Age, as well as other spiritual movements.  Quantum physics has been used this way for decades now.You can certainly take new scientific data and theory that way, and I sometimes do, but I don't think a "proof" of the existence of God because of our ignorance is very powerful.  "This is beyond our understanding, so there must be a God who understands."  I'm much more impressed by people's mystical experiences, not to mention all the scientific investigations surveyed in my book that show we humans sometimes do things we think spiritual beings would be able to.  By "spiritual" here I mean of a nature very different than contemporary physics and reasonable extensions of it allow to happen.  Telepathy as a possible "mechanism" for transmitting information and requests in prayer, as just one example.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[A colleague of mine, Jim Tucker, M.D., psychiatrist at the University of Virginia, wrote this excellent review of reincarnation.  Tucker is one of the far too few scientists in the world actually looking at evidence for reincarnation, mainly studying young children who spontaneously recall another life.  With his permission, I am circulating it. Charles T. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A colleague of mine, Jim Tucker, M.D., psychiatrist at the University of Virginia, wrote this excellent review of reincarnation.  Tucker is one of the far too few scientists in the world actually looking at evidence for reincarnation, mainly studying young children who spontaneously recall another life.  With his permission, I am circulating it.</p>
<p>Charles T. Tart</p>
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<p><strong><em>The concept of reincarnation,</em></strong> that of an individual dying and then being reborn into another body, has existed in various religions for at least 3,000 years. The belief most likely arose independently in different areas, and this was followed by periods in which the concept spread to other regions.</p>
<p>It has now spread to the point that there are probably more people alive who believe in reincarnation than do not. Even in cultures such as the United States and Western  Europe that do not have a predominant belief in reincarnation, 20 to 30 percent of the population holds the belief. While the general concept is present in a number of religions and people groups, there are also significant differences between the various belief systems.</p>
<h2>Hinduism</h2>
<p>In Hinduism, it is believed that an enduring soul survives after death, spends a variable amount of time in another realm, and then becomes associated with a new body. Rebirth into the opposite sex or, under certain circumstances, into a nonhuman animal form is considered possible.</p>
<p>Hinduism includes the concept of <strong><em>karma</em></strong><em>, </em>the idea that the conditions into which one is born are determined by one's conduct in various previous lives. Life on Earth is considered undesirable, and an individual may engage in religious practices in each life until eventually earning release from the cycle of rebirth, losing individuality, and achieving union with the infinite spirit  (<em>nirvana </em>).</p>
<h2>Shiite Muslims</h2>
<p>A number of groups of Shiite Muslims in western Asia, such as the Druses of Lebanon and Syria and the Alevis in Turkey, have a belief in reincarnation that does not include the concept of karma.</p>
<p>Instead, they believe that God assigns souls to a series of lives in different circumstances that are generally disconnected from one another until the ultimate Judgment Day, when God sends them to heaven or hell based on the moral quality of their actions during all the various lives.</p>
<p>The Druses also believe that rebirth occurs immediately after death with no discarnate existence possible. While the Alevis believe that rebirth in nonhuman animals can occur, the Druses do not, and, in fact, they believe that they can only be reborn as other Druses. Neither group believes that they can be reborn as members of the opposite sex.</p>
<h2>Judaism and Christianity</h2>
<p>While reincarnation is not a belief in mainstream Judaism and Christianity, it has been part of the belief system of some of their groups. In Judaism, <strong><em>the Kabbalah</em></strong>, the body of teaching based on an esoteric interpretation of Hebrew scriptures, includes reincarnation, and Hasidic Jews include it in their belief system.</p>
<p>In Christianity, some groups of early Christians, particularly the Gnostic Christians, believed in reincarnation, and some Christians in southern Europe believed in it <strong><em>until the Council of Constantinople in 553 C.E.</em></strong> Some Christians find support for reincarnation in the passage in the New Testament Book of Matthew in which Jesus seems to say that John the Baptist is the prophet Elijah returned.</p>
<h2>Ancient Greece</h2>
<p>The Greek philosophers wrote extensively about the concept of reincarnation, beginning with the legendary Orpheus and with Pythagoras. After Socrates, Plato, whose ideas about reincarnation became particularly influential, taught that one's soul is immortal, preexists before birth, and is reborn many times.</p>
<p><strong><em>Each soul chooses its next life</em></strong>, guided by its experiences in the previous lives. Aristotle initially accepted the ideas of his teacher Plato, but later largely rejected the concepts of reincarnation and immortality, becoming the father of materialism in Western thought.</p>
<h2>West Africa</h2>
<p>The concept of reincarnation is common among the various peoples of West Africa. In general, unlike Hindus and Buddhists, they believe that rebirth is desirable and that life on Earth is preferable to that of the discarnate, limbo state.</p>
<p>They believe that individuals are generally reborn into the same family and that their souls may split into several rebirths simultaneously. Some groups believe in the possibility of rebirth into nonhuman animals while others do not. Many have the concept of "repeater children," in which one soul will harass a family by repeatedly dying as an infant or young child only to be reborn into the family again.</p>
<h2><em>Native Americans and Inuit</em></h2>
<p>The Inuit and many other Native American tribes, particularly those in the most northern and northwestern parts of North America, also believe in reincarnation. The details of the beliefs have varied greatly across different groups.</p>
<p>Many do not necessarily expect all individuals to be reborn, but they instead focus on those who have had premature deaths, such as deceased children being reborn into the same family or dead warriors being reborn with birthmarks corresponding to their wounds.</p>
<p>Some have believed in human to nonhuman rebirth and in cross-sex reincarnation. Many of them also believe that an individual may be reborn simultaneously as several different people.</p>
<h2>Evidence for Reincarnation</h2>
<p>In the twentieth century, researchers began exploring possible evidence for reincarnation. In 1961 <strong><em>Ian Stevenson</em></strong>, then the chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, began investigating cases of young children who claimed to remember previous lives.</p>
<p>In a typical case, a child at the age of two or three would begin to speak spontaneously about another life. Some children described the life of a stranger while others talked about a deceased individual known to the child's family. In the cases involving a stranger, the child would often persist with the claims until the family eventually made efforts to locate the family of the previous personality; that is, the person whose life the child was describing.</p>
<p>In many cases, their efforts were successful, and the child would then meet the family. At these meetings, the child would often be said to identify members of the previous family as well as items belonging to the deceased individual.</p>
<p>Stevenson discovered that such cases were fairly easy to find in many parts of the world, particularly in Asia, and he eventually relinquished his position as departmental chairman to pursue the research full time.</p>
<p>Since that time, he and other researchers have collected <strong><em>over 2,500 cases of children claiming to remember previous lives.</em></strong> As of 2002, such cases were still being collected regularly. While they each have individual variations, they generally share certain characteristics.</p>
<p><em>Location of cases. </em>Cases are most easily found in cultures with a belief in reincarnation, and <strong><em>the most common areas for cases include India, Sri Lanka, Turkey, Lebanon, Thailand, Myanmar, West Africa, and among the tribal groups of northwest North America</em></strong>. Cases have been found, however, wherever they have been sought, and they include well over 100 nontribal American ones.</p>
<p><em>Types of lives described. </em>The children who spontaneously report past lives generally describe a life as someone in their own culture. Even the exceptions usually show some geographical connection, such as Burmese children who describe the lives of Japanese soldiers killed in Burma during World War II, and cases of children describing lives in faraway countries are very rare.</p>
<p>In addition, the lives described are almost always ordinary ones, as the children describe typical family life and routine occupations. Claims to have been a famous person or royalty are essentially nonexistent in the spontaneous child cases. The children also tend to describe recent lives; the average interval between the death of the previous personality and the birth of the child is around fifteen months.</p>
<p>One exceptional part of the lives described is the percentage of violent deaths reported.</p>
<p>Stevenson found that approximately 60 percent of the children who talk about the mode of death of the previous personality describe a violent one. Compared to cases with a nonviolent mode of death, the cases that involve violence have a shorter interval on average between the death of the previous personality and the birth of the subject.</p>
<p><em>Age and manner of speaking. </em>The children studied almost always start talking about the previous lives <strong><em>between the ages of two and five years</em></strong>. Some with unusual verbal skills may make statements earlier, and some make gestures earlier that are not understood until they develop the verbal skills to make statements that connect the gestures to a previous life.</p>
<p>They almost always stop talking about the previous life between the ages of five and eight, which is generally the age when children branch out from the family and begin school, and also the age when children tend to lose early childhood memories.</p>
<p>Many of the children show extreme seriousness or great emotion when they talk about the previous life. They may cry as they talk about missing their previous family or show great anger in describing their killer.</p>
<p>The children in the stronger cases, such as ones with more verified statements about the previous life, tend to show more emotion in describing the previous life than those in the weaker cases.</p>
<p>Some children may talk about the previous life with great emotion one minute and then go off to play the next, and some parents say that their child has to be in the "right" state of mind to discuss the previous life. In U.S. cases, this is often during relaxed times such as during a car ride or after a bath. Other children, however, appear to have access to the memories at all times.</p>
<p><em>Themes of the past life statements. </em>The children in the studies who talk about previous lives do not tend to make statements indicating great wisdom. Instead, they generally talk about events from the end of the previous life; almost three-quarters of the subjects describe the mode of death of the previous personality.</p>
<p>They are also much more likely to talk about people from the end of that life than about people from earlier in it. Thus, a child who describes the life of an adult tends to talk about a spouse or children rather than parents.</p>
<p>Few subjects talk about any time between lives. Of those that do, some describe staying near their homes or the site of their deaths, and they may describe seeing their funerals or other events that occurred after their deaths. Others report going to a discarnate realm, at times describing meetings with other beings such as sages or guides.</p>
<p><strong><em>Birthmarks and birth defects</em></strong><em>. </em>In about 35 percent of the cases, the child bears a birthmark or birth defect that matches a wound of the previous personality, usually the fatal wound.</p>
<p>The birthmarks tend to be unusual ones, often being puckered scarlike areas, and some of them are said to have oozed or bled for some time after the child was born.</p>
<p>The birth defects are often ones that are extremely rare. In the late 1990s Stevenson published a series of over 200 such cases in which he documented the correspondence of the marks to wounds on the previous personality, using postmortem reports whenever possible.</p>
<p>Examples include cases in which children had birthmarks that matched the bullet entrance and exit wounds on the previous personality and others with multiple marks matching the wounds from the shotgun blasts that killed the previous individuals.</p>
<p><em>Behaviors related to the previous life. </em>Many of the children in these studies show behaviors that suggest a connection to the previous individual. They often show emotions toward the various members of the previous family that are appropriate: demurring to a husband, being bossy to a younger sibling (who is now, in fact, much older than the subject), and so forth.</p>
<p>Many of the children show phobias related to the mode of death; 50 percent of those describing a violent death show a phobia of the instrument of that death. At times, the phobia will be present long before the child talks about the previous life; for example, a baby may show an intense fear of water, and that child later reports a memory of having drowned in the previous life.</p>
<p>Some children show likes and dislikes that match those of the previous personality. For example, Burmese children who describe lives as Japanese soldiers may complain about the spicy Burmese food while requesting raw fish to eat.</p>
<p>Many of the children show connections to the previous life in their play. For example, some act out the occupation of the previous personality.</p>
<p>At times, this can reach compulsive proportions so that, for instance, the child misses school because of the insistence on continuing with this play. Others repetitively act out the death that they describe in what appears to be posttraumatic play.</p>
<p>Many of the children who report previous lives as members of the opposite sex show behaviors appropriate to that sex.</p>
<p>They may dress, play, and think of themselves as members of the opposite sex, and this behavior can be of such severity to warrant a diagnosis of gender identity disorder. Most of the children, however, show a normal course of development that is indistinguishable from their peers.</p>
<h2>Methods and Interpretations</h2>
<p>In the vast majority of cases, the investigators do not get to a case until after the subject's family and the previous personality's family have met, often not until years after.</p>
<p>This leads to the need to interview as many firsthand witnesses as possible. These include, of course, the subject, but he or she may not still be reporting memories of the previous life by the time of the interview. The child's parents are always important witnesses, since the young child has often told more to them than to others.</p>
<p>In addition, other family members and family friends can be important witnesses. After they have been interviewed and the information recorded, the previous personality's family is interviewed.</p>
<p>Those family members can confirm both the details of the previous personality's life that are relevant as well as any recognitions or information that the child demonstrated when the two families met. In all instances, firsthand knowledge rather than hearsay is sought. Interviews are conducted with the use of an interpreter in countries where one is needed.</p>
<p>Repeat interviews are often conducted, both to obtain additional details that were missed during the first ones and to determine whether the reports remain consistent. In addition, other evidence is gathered when relevant. For example, postmortem reports may be obtained, both to confirm the details that the child gave about the death as well as to confirm, when applicable, that the child's birth-marks do match wounds on the deceased.</p>
<p>In the cases in which the previous personality was unknown to the subject's family, investigators also attempt to learn whether the child or the family may have had a connection to the previous personality or possible access to information about that life that is not immediately apparent.</p>
<p>There are also times when the researchers find a case in which the previous personality has not yet been identified. The information from the subject and his or her family is recorded, and it is then used in an effort to identify the deceased individual whose life the child is describing.</p>
<p>There are several possible ways in which these cases could arise through normal means. One is fraud, but this is quite unlikely for the vast majority of cases, given the number of witnesses often involved, the amount of effort that would be necessary to perpetrate such a fraud, and the lack of motive to do so.</p>
<p>Another possibility is that the children have learned about the deceased person through normal means but then forgotten where they acquired the information. This would not explain the birth-marks that match the wounds of the deceased.</p>
<p>Also arguing against this interpretation are the lack of opportunity in many cases for the child to have heard anything at all about the previous personality, the mention by some children of information known to only a select few intimates of the previous personality, the child's strong sense of identification with the previous personality, and other behavioral features that the children often show.</p>
<p>In addition, the stronger cases, such as ones with more verified statements about the previous life, tend to involve greater distance between the homes of the child and the previous personality than the weaker ones.</p>
<p>A third possibility is that after the families of the subject and the previous personality have met, the family members credit the subject with having had more knowledge of the prior life than he or she actually had. According to this interpretation, the evidence for a connection with a previous life is not valid due to faulty memory on the part of the participants.</p>
<p>While this possibility would not explain the birthmark cases or the ones in which a written record was made of the child's statements before the previous personality was identified, it could explain many others.</p>
<p>Two studies, however, argue against this hypothesis. In 2000 Stevenson and Jürgen Keil conducted a study in which Keil reinvestigated cases twenty years after Stevenson's initial investigation. They found that the cases had not become stronger in the participants' minds over the years, and, in fact, some had become somewhat weaker as witnesses recalled less specific details of what the child had said.</p>
<p>In the other study, Schouten and Stevenson in 1998 compared cases from India and Sri Lanka in which written records had been made before the two families met with other thoroughly investigated cases without such written records. The two groups had the same percentage of correct statements, and the overall number of statements was actually lower in the cases without a written record made beforehand.</p>
<p>In addition to normal means, a possible way to explain the cases would be that the children gain knowledge of the previous personality through extrasensory perception. This seems unlikely because most of these children show no other extrasensory ability and because the cases involve multiple features—birthmarks, identification with the previous personality, longing for the previous family, phobias, repetitive play—other than the knowledge of the previous life.</p>
<p><strong><em>Another possible explanation is reincarnation</em></strong>. These cases, taken at face value, suggest that memories, emotions, a sense of identification, and even physical features can carry over from one life to the next.</p>
<p>This does not necessarily mean that these characteristics carry over for other individuals who do not remember previous lives, or that other individuals have even had previous lives. The cases do, however, provide evidence that should be considered in any evaluation of the concept of reincarnation.</p>
<p><em>See also: </em><a href="http://www.deathreference.com/A-Bi/African-Religions.html" target="_blank">A FRICAN R ELIGIONS </a>; <a href="http://www.deathreference.com/A-Bi/Afterlife-in-Cross-Cultural-Perspective.html" target="_blank">A FTERLIFE IN C ROSS -C ULTURAL P ERSPECTIVE </a>; <a href="http://www.deathreference.com/Bl-Ce/Buddhism.html" target="_blank">B UDDHISM </a>; <a href="http://www.deathreference.com/Gi-Ho/Hinduism.html" target="_blank">H INDUISM </a>; <a href="http://www.deathreference.com/Ho-Ka/Islam.html" target="_blank">I SLAM </a>; <a href="http://www.deathreference.com/Nu-Pu/Phoenix-the.html" target="_blank">P HOENIX , T HE </a>; <a href="http://www.deathreference.com/Nu-Pu/Plato.html" target="_blank">P LATO </a></p>
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<p>Harvey, Peter. <em>An Introduction to Buddhism: Teachings, History and Practices. </em>Cambridge: Cambridge  University Press, 1990.</p>
<p>Head, Joseph, and Sylvia L. Cranston, eds. <em>Reincarnation: The Phoenix Fire Mystery. </em>New York: Warner Books, 1979.</p>
<p>Mills, Antonia, and Richard Slobodin, eds. <em>Amerindian Rebirth: Reincarnation Belief among North American Indians and Inuit. </em>Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 1994.</p>
<p>Schouten, Sybo A., and Ian Stevenson. "Does the Socio-Psychological Hypothesis Explain Cases of the Reincarnation Type?" <em>Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease </em>186 (1998):504–506.</p>
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<p>Stevenson, Ian. <em>Reincarnation and Biology: A Contribution to the Etiology of Birthmarks and Birth Defects. </em>Westport,  CT: Praeger, 1997.</p>
<p>Stevenson, Ian.<strong><em> "The Belief in Reincarnation among the Igbo of Nigeria."</em></strong> <em>Journal of Asian and African Studies </em>20 (1985):13–30.</p>
<p>Stevenson, Ian. <em>Cases of the Reincarnation Type, </em>Vol. 4: <em>Twelve Cases in Thailand and Burma. </em>Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1983.</p>
<p>Stevenson, Ian. <em>Cases of the Reincarnation Type, </em>Vol 3: <em>Twelve Cases in Lebanon and Turkey. </em>Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1980.</p>
<p>Stevenson, Ian. <em>Cases of the Reincarnation Type, </em>Vol 2: <em>Ten Cases in Sri Lanka. </em>Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1977.</p>
<p>Stevenson, Ian. <em>Cases of the Reincarnation Type, </em>Vol 1: <em>Ten Cases in India. </em>Charlottesville: University Press of Virginia, 1975.</p>
<p>Stevenson, Ian, and Jürgen Keil. "The Stability of Assessments of Paranormal Connections in Reincarnation-Type Cases." <em>Journal of Scientific Exploration </em>14 (2000):365–382.</p>
<p>Tucker, Jim B. "A Scale to Measure the Strength of Children's Claims of Previous Lives: Methodology and Initial Findings." <em>Journal of Scientific Exploration </em>14 (2000):571–581.</p>
<p>JIM B. TUCKER</p>
<p>from the <em>Macmillan Encyclopedia of Death and Dying</em>, Kastenbaum R (ed.).  New York: Macmillan Reference USA, 705-710, 2003.</p>
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		<title>Miracles, Science, and &#8220;My Religion is Truer than Yours!&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I've been having a discussion with some spiritual people working toward a "trans-traditional spirituality," and we've been talking about miracles.  Do they discourage even trying to develop a science, even a partial science, of spirituality, or can we fit them in somehow.  Since one of my main scientific interests, parapsychology, is about "miracles," this is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've been having a discussion with some spiritual people working toward a "trans-traditional spirituality," and we've been talking about miracles.  Do they discourage even trying to develop a science, even a partial science, of spirituality, or can we fit them in somehow.  Since one of my main scientific interests, parapsychology, is about "miracles," this is of great interest to me.</p>
<p>Let's start with that word "miracle."  The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary's first definition is:</p>
<p><em>miracle /0ˈ</em><em>mɪ</em><em>rə</em><em>k(ə</em><em>)l/ noun &amp; verb. ME.</em></p>
<p><em>[ORIGIN Old French &amp; Modern French from Latin miraculum object of wonder, from mirari, -are look at, wonder, from mirus wonderful.]</em></p>
<p><strong><em>1</em></strong><em> A marvellous event not ascribable to human or natural agency, and therefore attributed to the intervention of a supernatural agent, esp. (in Christian belief) God; spec. an act demonstrating control over nature, serving as evidence that the agent is either divine or divinely favoured.</em></p>
<p>I believe this is the way most people use the word "miracle," a supernatural agent has demonstrated His/Her/Its control over nature, and it makes no sense given what we humans understand about nature and nature's laws.</p>
<p>Let's consider something very simple which I think we all believe science has established beyond any reasonable doubt.  If you take two atoms of hydrogen and one of oxygen and heat them enough, they turn into water.  Always.</p>
<p>A "miracle" would then be that you repeat the above and it doesn't turn into water, as such an outcome is not ascribable to what we know on "natural agency."  If someone credits God or the gods with fixing it so no water is formed, that's the basic stuff of a "miracle."</p>
<p>Putting such a result into more neutral language, you have some observations, in this case a zillion of them, that two parts hydrogen to one part oxygen, heated to some specified temperature, always turns into the stuff we call water.  We have also developed a conceptual system, chemistry, which makes this observation logically plausible and fits it in with a much wider collection of observations, the body of chemistry.</p>
<p><strong>Ideal Science and Scientists and Reality:</strong></p>
<p>Now I could describe the "ideal" scientist as always curious and not overly attached to any concepts, and to some degree some scientists tend to be like that (I hope I'm that way).  But coming back to ordinary human reality, we all tend to get attached to things that work practically and to things that make sense and so make us feel smart.  Who doesn't like to feel that they are smart, understand how the world works, and can control it at least fairly well?</p>
<p>So probably most actual human scientists, faced with the observation of no water formed when there should have been water formed, jump to the conclusion that there was something wrong with the experiment, not that what they believe are basic laws of chemistry were violated, that there was a "miracle."  And since we humans do make mistakes, it's not a bad first conclusion, we could indeed have screwed up the experiment.</p>
<p>So we do the experiment over and over and the "miraculous outcome" keeps happening, no water, even though we've carefully examined our apparatus, etc.</p>
<p>Well a lot of scientist will simply dismiss the anomalous results at this point rather than question their knowledge: it still must be some error even if they can't figure out what that error is yet.  We will figure it out some day, of course.  This someday belief, applied to being unable to come up with a convincing physical explanation for something, is what philosophers long ago named "promissory materialism."  Someday we will understand this and everything else in proper material terms.  The problem is that this is not science, this is "faith," in the worst connotation of "faith."  A principal requirement for something to be a scientific theory, according to many philosophers of science, is that a theory must be capable of being <span style="text-decoration: underline;">dis</span>proven.  Well you can never prove that X won't be proven in the terms you prefer &#8211; chemistry, God, devils, little green UFOs, what have you &#8211; <span style="text-decoration: underline;">someday</span>.</p>
<p>A practical example of this is the evidence for ESP.  Hundreds and hundreds of experiments show ESP manifesting, so the pseudo-skeptics then claim that ESP really means Error Some Place rather than Extrasensory Perception.</p>
<p>A very few scientists will find the failure of an experiment to conform to what we think are the laws to be really exciting and want to research it &#8211; like us parapsychologists.  After all, any parapsychology experiment comes down to setting up a situation where, given what we think we know about the physical world, nothing can happen.  Put two people in isolated rooms miles apart, have one look at a randomized deck of cards every minute while the person in the other writes down what she thinks the card is each time.  Given all we know about the physical world, you'll get chance level scores, say 50% correct if the task is to guess red or black with ordinary playing cards.  Then some people average more than that, say 53%, long enough to be statistically significant, and we have evidence for ESP.  Yes, 50% of the time the receiving person is just guessing, but every once in a while they know what the correct card is&#8230;..very interesting.</p>
<p>Now if you call this a "miracle" in the sense of "<em>A marvellous event not ascribable to human or natural agency, and therefore attributed to the intervention of a supernatural agent," </em>you've brought your attempts to understand what's happening to an end, you've defined it as something beyond human understanding, so what's the point of trying?  And by not trying to understand further, you don't understand further&#8230;.</p>
<p>But if you don't use that word "miracle," with it's implication that we humans can't understand, but describe it as an anomalous event, simply something that doesn't make sense in terms of what we already know, that doesn't say it didn't happen, and it invites us to try to expand our understanding.  So for a few scientists like me, "miracles" are an incentive to look deeper and further.  Indeed things that we're sure happen but don't make sense in terms of conventional knowledge might mean an error some place, but might very well mean the next major breakthrough in science if we apply ourselves.</p>
<p><strong>How Far Can We Understand?</strong></p>
<p>Now it could turn out that no matter how much further and deeper we look, we never get beyond verifying that these things occur, but just won't make sense to us.  I'm willing to consider that outcome as possibility, although my preference is for it to make sense, and I am confident that, with further study, these kinds of events will indeed make a lot <em>more</em> sense than they do now.  Whether they will make any kind of "ultimate sense," I don't know.</p>
<p><strong>But Miracles Prove My Religion is the True One!</strong></p>
<p>I also have no objection to religious and spiritual people pointing to apparent miracles &#8211; paranormal phenomena in my more neutral description &#8211; as evidence that there is a reality to the spiritual.  Indeed that's the whole thrust of my "The End of Materialism: How Evidence of the Paranormal is Bringing Science and Spirit Together" book.  Many, many people have had their spiritual and religious lives inhibited or squelched by followers of Scientism (Materialism pretending to be all of science) claiming that all spirituality is unreal, nonsense, imaginary, and who wants to be thought dumb and deluded?   The overview of evidence for the paranormal &#8211; for "miracles" if we were forced to use that terminology &#8211; that I give in the book is to support my conclusion that the followers of Scientism who have told spiritual people they are stupid are not only harming those people, they are misleading them, because real science, actually working with all the data of parapsychology, shows that humans sometimes show the kinds of qualities we would expect spiritual beings to have.  So it's reasonable to be <span style="text-decoration: underline;">both</span> scientific <span style="text-decoration: underline;">and</span> spiritual in ones approach to life.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I think one of the reasons for irrational opposition to parapsychological research from religious people is that the evidence is now clear that <em>no particular religion can claim superiority over any other because it can point to paranormal events, "miracles" among its followers</em>.  Looking at the catalogs of these events in various religions they all have pretty much the same basic parapsychological phenomena occurring.</p>
<p>I personally take that as a sign that God/Spirit, whatever you want to call it, is happy to give such little boosts to people's faith as long as it's any faith that helps people become wiser and more compassionate.  I can't "prove" that incidentally, I can't point to extensive surveys that show, e.g., that "nice" religions have more paranormal events happen that "not nice" religions, this is just my personal feeling, my best guess at this early stage of our knowledge. And perhaps my bias that I may need to overcome some day.</p>
<p>It would be very interesting to catalog the kinds of "miracles," paranormal events reported in various spiritual traditions though.  At first glance they are all pretty much the same, but differences might be very revealing.  For example, in Tibetan Buddhism there is a tradition, based on reports of people who claim to have witnessed this, of very spiritually advanced people passing into "rainbow body" when they die.  These are people who ask that their body be undisturbed, in a closed room, after they die.  Observers report seeing all sorts of rainbow like light leaking out of the room, and when it is opened at the end of the traditional seven days there is no body left in the room except for fingernails, hair, and clothing.  Or in some cases a very shrunken body.  I've never heard of anything similar in other traditions.</p>
<p><strong>Do Miracles Destroy Science?</strong></p>
<p>Coming back to the central issue, yes, I think considering any events as "miracles" does tend to destroy science.  There's little point in doing science if some supernatural being suddenly and inexplicably changes the way the world works.  My belief &#8211; can't prove it, but it's what I operate from &#8211; is that Spirit or God or whatever is basically benign and won't sabotage our intelligence this way.  But in terms of the way most scientists feel, yes, the possibility of supernatural beings arbitrarily changing reality does gut science.  A simple way to not worry about that is to deny all spiritual reality&#8230;..No non-physical, "supernatural" (another word that causes a lot of trouble), then nobody to mess up our experiments and undermine the advance of our knowledge.  No "miracles," no worry.</p>
<p>Lots of interesting psychological questions developing from all this speculation, no time to go into it now&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Supernature film coming</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 16:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a beautiful film in the works, scheduled to come out next February, about activities centered around Esalen Institute for building bridges between science and spirituality.  I just got the info on it this morning from the producer,  and it's reproduced below.  Feel free to pass it on.  I found watching this trailer very [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a beautiful film in the works, scheduled to come out next February, about activities centered around Esalen Institute for building bridges between science and spirituality.  I just got the info on it this morning from the producer,  and it's reproduced below.  Feel free to pass it on.  I found watching this trailer very inspiring, although I should "warn" you that you'll have to put up with 10-15 seconds of me near the end&#8230;..     <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/wink.png' alt='Wink' title='Wink' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
<p>The first SUPERNATURE trailer is up: <a href="http://www.scotthulanjones.com/supernature-trailer-1/">http://www.scotthulanjones.com/supernature-trailer-1/</a></p>
<p>We are about to launch a Kickstarter fundraising campaign. Please help us spread the word &#8212; ask your friends, family and colleagues to watch the trailer and like us on Facebook: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Supernature-Esalen-and-the-Human-Potential/258411520839126">https://www.facebook.com/pages/Supernature-Esalen-and-the-H uman-Potential/258411520839126</a></p>
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		<title>We Should All Have &#8220;Crazy&#8221; Neighbors</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 16:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some years ago I spoke, as did a number of my friends and colleagues, at a parapsychology related conference in one of our beautiful but wild Northwest states. I was reminded this morning of an amusing incident at this conference.   One of the speakers, a local and, I guess, probably politically influential Rancher, talked about [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some years ago I spoke, as did a number of my friends and colleagues, at a parapsychology related conference in one of our beautiful but wild Northwest states.</p>
<p>I was reminded this morning of an amusing incident at this conference.   One of the speakers, a local and, I guess, probably politically influential Rancher, talked about his friends in the UFOs, the rides they took him on, the sights they showed him, etc&#8230;..I'm not a trained clinician, but to me he was obviously schizophrenic.  Now I'm not making that judgment because of his unusual experiences per se, I've always been open to the idea that UFOs may stem from the activities of intelligent aliens, even though UFO-related delusions are common among the mentally ill.  The stubborn conviction that we are the only intelligent life forms around, and that if we can't think of a useful way to travel from one star system to another it must be impossible has always struck me as simple arrogance.  But from the way this man talked, he was clearly, to use a delightful old phrase I haven't heard anyone use in years, marching to the beat of a different drummer.</p>
<p>I talked to one of the conference organizers about him afterwards, how could they have such an obviously crazy person talk at a public conference like this?  I was concerned that putting respectable scientific research on parapsychology on the same stage with such a crazy presentation would reflect badly on parapsychology, a "guilt-by-association" method much used by the pseudo-skeptics.</p>
<p>Well, I was told, all his friends and neighbors of course knew he was crazy &#8211; but it's extremely difficult to find any decent water in those Northwestern states.  His UFO alien friends had led him to some fantastically good places to drill wells, producing hundreds of gallons of good water per hour&#8230;..they wished had more crazy neighbors like him around&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Science and Spirit: Where I&#8217;m Coming From and How I&#8217;m Doing It:</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been involved in a discussion on a professional list of "spiritual leaders" about the evidence for reincarnation and, more generally whether science has any value in casting light on spirituality and religion. One of the list members, an ordained Christian minister, wrote that he had a difficult time understanding my mentality.  Where was [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been involved in a discussion on a professional list of "spiritual leaders" about the evidence for reincarnation and, more generally whether science has any value in casting light on spirituality and religion.</p>
<p>One of the list members, an ordained Christian minister, wrote that he had a difficult time understanding my mentality.  Where was I coming from?  What would I stake my life on?  I don't think I can satisfy his or similar persons' curiosity, but this seemed like a good time to do a quick review of my life's work, so I'll share the essence of my response here &#8211; the spiritual place I'm coming from, what science is, how it goes will with spirituality, etc.  It can only be a partial look, but an interesting one&#8230;.</p>
<p>One of my favorite spiritual songs, from the CD <em>Remembrance,</em> by psychologist and spiritual seeker John Astin, goes</p>
<p><em>Why have you come to earth?</em></p>
<p><em>Do you remember?</em></p>
<p><em>Why have you, taken birth?</em></p>
<p><em>Why have you come?</em></p>
<p>The refrain is</p>
<p><em>To love, to serve and remember.</em></p>
<p><em>To love, to serve and remember.</em></p>
<p>This song always touches me deeply when I hear or sing it, intellectually because it summarizes my faint understandings of why I'm here so well, emotionally&#8230;.because it just does, it touches me.</p>
<p>My best guess, as of today, as to "where" we come from is that some kind of reincarnation process is at work, and the karma driving it, the lawful causality, is partly straightforward consequences of what we have done and become in previous existences, and partly conscious choice.  Buddhists say that if you want to know what your past lives were like, look at your present life.  If you want to know what your future lives will be like, look at your present life.  Sounds reasonable to me.  Well I still have a lot, lot more to learn about love, although I'm not completely ignorant about it, I believe the work I do in helping us understand our minds and souls better is a service to all humanity, and I would like to have deeper contact with our spiritual roots, to remember&#8230;.</p>
<p>I say my "best guess," as I know how little I know and how much a desire for certainty, and/or the forces of hope and fear, can fool me into thinking I know more than I do.  That I am here to love, serve and remember as primary goals is my best guess &#8211; but I don't Know in any final sense, even though I'd like to know more deeply.  And my regular prayer to Whatever/Whoever is the Highest is that I may grow in wisdom and compassion and be of greater service.  And any guidance in whatever form is much appreciated!  Meanwhile, knowing how easily I can get caught up in my hopes, fear and delusions, it's most honest to talk about my best guesses, my best theories of how things are.</p>
<p>I am, of course, intellectually taking and hopefully living a basically spiritual view of life, a belief that there is Spirit (or whatever you want to call it), that life is more than just this material existence, that the Universe/Spirit is basically benevolent, and that I'd like to contribute to this benevolence and evolution, as well as reducing human suffering.  To put it more beautifully than I can phrase it, here is what R. M. Bucke, describing his Cosmic Consciousness experience, said:</p>
<p><em>Among other things &#8230; he saw and knew that the Cosmos is not dead matter but a living Presence, that the soul of man is immortal, that the universe is so built and ordered that without any peradventure all things work together for the good of each and all, that the foundation principle of the world is what we call love and that the happiness of every one is in the long run absolutely certain. </em></p>
<p>Note carefully that I take a basically "spiritual" view of life, rather than a "religious" view.  I differentiate spiritual experience as those personal experiences where one is touched by Spirit in some deep way.  I have been blessed with some light touches in my life, and am very grateful for this.  Others have many and more profound touches, and part of my own understanding is based on their reports and ideas about their experiences.</p>
<p>In almost all cases, I and others are seldom able to just accept spiritual experience for what it is/was, partly/mainly because human nature is such that we have a deep desire to "understand" things, to make "sense" of them.  Given the radically different nature of much spiritual experience such that it does not express well in ordinary language, the attempts to understand, to create explanations and theories that "explain" the experiences can be very frustrating.  My favorite Kurt Vonnegut poem expresses this latter point so well:</p>
<p><em>Tiger got to hunt.</em></p>
<p><em>Bird got to fly.</em></p>
<p><em>Man got to ask himself</em></p>
<p><em>Why?  Why?  Why?</em></p>
<p><em><br />
</em></p>
<p><em> </em></p>
<p><em>Tiger got to sleep.</em></p>
<p><em>Bird got to land.</em></p>
<p><em>Man got to tell himself</em></p>
<p><em>He understand&#8230;.</em></p>
<p>So individuals have spiritual experiences, they try to understand.  They try to communicate the basic experiences and their understandings to others.  They may be so desperate to seem to understand in an explanatory framework, usually a framework (religion, philosophy) society has given us, that they gradually twist and distort their memories of the actual experiences to make them apparently fit.  We then further move into the social side of humanity, and after a while stories about the experiences or ideas about them have become religious tenets, dogmas, and those tenets pressure and shape future individuals' experiences.</p>
<p>As a young man I tended to uniformly condemn this distortion process, but as I've gotten older I realize we need social expressions of the spiritual, religious rites and rituals to make society run more smoothly.  But I'm still quite suspicious of the way organized religions distort what we know of the basic spiritual experiences and, indeed, often suppress further direct religious experience of individuals in order to maintain the authority of the religion and its leaders.  I have heard innumerable horror stories of people who had profound spiritual experiences as children and were beaten and brainwashed to make them conform&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>Science and Spirituality:</strong></p>
<p>Now, please put all your knowledge about science and religion on hold for a bit.  Many of us have had our spiritual lives badly twisted and invalidated by what we think of as science, so we have to work to stay genuinely calm about this&#8230;..</p>
<p>Yes, religion, especially in the form of the Roman Catholic Church suppressed exploration and creation of new knowledge badly for a long time.  Science, as it was arising, had to fight badly for its freedom, there's a heritage of a lot of bad blood.  Today scholars point out that we tend to have less overt conflict because most organized religions have ceded the territory of physical reality to science to avoid conflict.  Declare that science can't deal with the spiritual and religious, then ignore science.  This isolation is fine with most scientists who were educated to believe religion was all nonsense anyway.</p>
<p>My training as a scientist, a psychologist, fits well with my basic personality and my basic spiritual orientation.  On the one hand I am curious about all sorts of things and open to all sorts of ideas.  On the other, I've never liked to be fooled &#8211; by others or by myself.  Basic science thrives on and encourages curiosity about, in principle, everything.  Yes, there are fashions and taboos about what it is "proper" for science to look at, but in principle essential science (see my more lengthy and detailed descriptions of what essential science, as opposed to scient<em>ism</em>, is, in my <em>The End of Materialism</em> book).  Essential science is also very aware of how we fool ourselves and each other and has built-in procedures for minimizing this.</p>
<p>Discussing the above as a spiritual seeker strongly (but not exclusively) working to serve in the role of scientist, I would characterize individuals' spiritual experiences as <em>data</em>, as facts, as experiential realities.  The <em>interpretation</em> of these experiences, though, is <em>theory</em>, belief.  The typical near-death experience report, e.g., of meeting a Being of Light who telepathically communicates with one and unconditionally accepts one is data, that's what was experienced.  To say that means the Being of Light is God or Jesus or a Spirit that exists independently of the experiencer is a theory, an interpretation of the experience.</p>
<p>The beauty and power of essential science is its recognition that we love theories, we love to feel we are smart and understand.  "Man got to tell himself he understand."  But that feeling of understanding, even if it fits with currently fashionable beliefs and wins social approval, is not sufficient for essential science.  We recognize what I have called a <em>universal principle of rationalization</em>.  We clever humans can take <em>any</em> set of facts, observations, experiences, whatsoever, and create a plausible sounding theory as to why they are as we believe.</p>
<p>There's an apt parallel in mathematics, a theorem (can't recall the name off-hand) which says you can take a sequence of truly randomly generated  numbers of any length (dozens, millions, billions) and figure out an algorithm, a mechanical formula, which will generate that sequence.  So that means the sequence is not really random but the lawful consequence of that algorithm?  No, for if you turn on your random number generator again, the algorithm will not predict the next numbers in the sequence beyond chance accuracy.</p>
<p>(Note I am talking about true random generators here.  There are pseudo-random number generator programs which do indeed work on an algorithm, but those are not our concern here.)</p>
<p>The point is to recognize the power of rationalization.  We humans are very creative, we can create <em>apparent</em> reasons, but they may have no relation to reality.  Thus the cardinal rule of science.  It's wonderful if your theory accounts for all the data to date, is elegant, obviously true, etc.  <em>But you have to then predict what will happen in new circumstances, and then actually test your predictions in those new circumstances.</em></p>
<p>If your theory predicts correctly, good, keep working with it, refine it, expand it, etc.  But if it doesn't predict what actually, observably happens next, <em>the theory is wrong</em>, and either should be discarded or reworked.  It doesn't matter how much you or others believed it, the test of prediction in new circumstances is the gold standard of evaluation.</p>
<p><strong>Spiritual Experiences as Data, Spiritual and Religious Beliefs as Theories</strong></p>
<p>I regard individual spiritual experiences as the <em>data</em> of spirituality, and spiritual or religious beliefs as <em>theories</em> about what that data means.</p>
<p>In the physical sciences, in the last few hundred years, following this procedure of essential science &#8211; observe, theorize, predict from the logic of the theory, see if the predictions work, refine, revise or replace as needed &#8211; all the physical sciences have made immense progress.  Our theories account for and predict more and more observables more and more precisely.  Where theories haven't kept working, they have led to the creation of new theories that work better than the old ones.  That's progress: our conceptual understanding of reality explains and predicts it more and more accurately.</p>
<p>So, has there been any progress in spirituality or religion in the last few hundred years?</p>
<p>Are the basic theories/beliefs of spirituality and religion more precise and refined than they were in the past?  Do they account for actual observables better?</p>
<p>We know the answer, particularly with the hardened positions of organized religions.  You're not supposed to "test" religious beliefs, you're supposed to believe them.  Or else!</p>
<p><strong>Me and the "Spiritual Leaders" Group: Why and How?</strong></p>
<p>So bringing this all back to me and the group of spiritual leaders I have belonged to for several years &#8211; why and how am I here?</p>
<p>The simplest why is because the group's founder asked me to join, and I greatly respect him and his work.  I did argue with him about it, the group was for "spiritual leaders," why was he asking me?  I'm not a spiritual leader.  More deeply, I spend most of my professional time talking to other psychologists and scientists, which is nice, but it's a somewhat narrow range of humanity.  The prospect that I could listen to and converse with people who were "spiritual leaders," was very interesting.  I could be exposed to and learn from whole new points of view, data and theories of people whose primary orientation/allegiance was to the <em>spiritual</em>, and that would be (and has been!) most interesting.  Hopefully this would enlarge my own view, and suggest practices that would increase my own devotion and understanding, which in turn would increase my ability to be of service in my main task of bridging the best of the spiritual and scientific worlds.</p>
<p>As to the "how" am I here: I read the various exchanges on our listserv and my mind tends to automatically divide them into two types.  The first are what I consider "data posts," sharing of personal spiritual experiences.  The second, and by far more numerous category, are "theory" posts.  At their best, the theory posts are on the order of "My tradition thinks that such-and-such experiences mean so-and-so, the strength of this theory/belief is A, B and C, the lacks and weaknesses are D, E and F."  At their worst, the theory posts are relatively rigid statements of theories that have turned into dogmas.  Instead of "This is the best way we can think of to make sense of this" it's "This is The Truth."</p>
<p>The ratio of the two kinds of posts varies from time to time.  When it's too much in the dogma direction, I notice people get more argumentative and/or tend to drop out of the list.  I've certainly been tempted to drop out at times when I think we've had too much of the "My Truth is better than your truth" stuff.  Can rigid belief and the virtue of humility exist together?  Doesn't seem like it&#8230;&#8230;    ;-(</p>
<p>My initial  hope in joining the group was that there would be a lot of "data posts," forming a deeper bond among us than just an intellectual one, and, even more importantly, that this kind of data and the intelligence and good will of my fellow group members would then see the creation of new theories, of new ways of thinking about spiritual experience that might lead to some new (and ultimately testable) predictions/understandings about Spirit, and, hopefully, more effective ways of helping people have primary spiritual experiences themselves.  I'm afraid there's been very little of this theory progress and an awful lot of attempting to squeeze everything back into the old theories, the Sacred Beliefs That-Must-Not-Be-Questioned, that various members already have&#8230;..</p>
<p><strong>And Yet&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>I've learned a lot from reading the posts of group members talking with each other.  One great mystery (to me) is still just as mysterious after all these years, though.  Given how very powerful scientific thought is in our times, and given how much there's a general perception that science has shown spirituality and religion are all nonsense &#8211; why does there seem to be such a lack of interest on the part of these spiritual leaders, the progressive and liberal wing of religion and spirituality to my way of thinking, in my beginning attempts to show that it is reasonable to be <em>both</em> spiritual <em>and</em> scientific, that there is excellent scientific evidence for this position?</p>
<p>In terms of seeing my life's work as building bridges between the best of science and the best of spirituality, it's like I've built a small bridge &#8211; but hardly anyone seems interested in crossing back and forth&#8230;..????  Note I'm not lost in my own ego here, brooding over why don't you read <em>my</em> articles, <em>my</em> books, I'm referring to general attempts to bridge the best of science and the best of spirituality.</p>
<p>I think I've got a few on the scientific (not the scien<em>tistic</em>) side feeling that it's OK to be interested in spirituality and pursue it.  I'm not sure I've affected anyone on the official spiritual or religious side to see how science and spirituality can work together for more knowledge and effectiveness.  I guess I was hoping this latter process would happen with my group  membership&#8230;now I'm not sure it will.</p>
<p>So, that's why and how I'm here in this group as of this time.  I've written a lot, probably too much, violating the guideline I'm always giving others than short posts are more likely to be actually read.  Anyway, I hope someone finds it useful.</p>
<p>Now I have to stop participating in this interesting discussion for a while and turn to the course material on mindfulness training I'm preparing.</p>
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		<title>I Didn&#8217;t Do It, The Spirits Did It!  (Or maybe The Devil Made Me Do It?)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A physicist friend recently wrote me how impressed he was reading about an old parapsychology experiment, the Philip Experiment, in which participants in table-rapping sessions invented their own discarnate entity, complete with biography and actually got "him" (Philip) to manifest with movements of the table and raps coming from it.  The séance participants had a great [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A physicist friend recently wrote me how impressed he was reading about an old parapsychology experiment, the Philip Experiment, in which participants in table-rapping sessions invented their own discarnate entity, complete with biography and actually got "him" (Philip) to manifest with movements of the table and raps coming from it.  The séance participants had a great time, joking, singing hymns, and asking questions for Philip to answer about his life, as is typical of séances.  Philip seemed to real at times, and some of the movements and raps seemed inexplicable by normal means.  You can easily read about it on the web, but careful, trace it back to the primary report by Owen &#8211; you all know how things can changed by special interests on the web.</p>
<p>I realized at the time I read it that it was an ingenious psychological technique to try to get paranormal manifestations, but almost nothing has been done with it and variations since then, unfortunately.  There are way, way too few scientific parapsychologists!  I think the rationale at the time was partly to simply test whether the fun atmosphere of a typical séance could produce psi effects without necessarily have a "real spirit" around, and partly to use the psychological setting of a séance, where <em>you</em> are not responsible, it's a spirit doing things, to allow people's psychic abilities to manifest.  After all, it's pretty heavy psychologically speaking for <em>you</em> to claim special powers, but if the spirits are just using you…..it's much easier and safer.  Especially at the time Spiritualism developed, women were not supposed to express themselves, so they didn't, the spirits did it, and bossed a lot of men around…..Fascinating sociology there, it's been written about lately.  It's can also be risky, even in these so-called modern times, to claim psychic powers.  In the long history of the human race, it’s only been a moment since we burned people we thought had psychic powers (we didn't approve of or were afraid of) at the stake&#8230;.</p>
<p>The one psychologist who really developed this technique further, Kenneth Batcheldor, started doing table-tipping and rapping sessions, but before the lights were dimmed or extinguished and the hymn singing started, sitters drew cards and one drew the "mischief" card, without telling anyone who it was.  That person was to subtly cheat near the beginning, manually lift a corner of the table or something like that, without revealing him or herself, and this created a mysterious atmosphere that <em>maybe</em> a spirit was manifesting.  Then the cheater would stop doing anything, but manifestations &#8211; raps, table liftings &#8211; often continued.  The psychological "ice" was broken, and nobody had to take responsibility, <em>the spirits were doing it</em>.  Overcoming this "ownership resistance" (Batcheldor's term) was important, and, if my memory is correct, I think it worked well in a number of sitter circles.</p>
<p>One of the most interesting things nowadays has to do with "spirit raps" obtained in modern séances.  A number have now been electronically recorded, and an analysis of waveforms does not show what you would expect from mechanical raps, namely an immediate jump to maximum amplitude followed by steady falloff (what any tap does), but rather a gradual rise to maximum amplitude and then a gradual fall off.  This kind of rap sounds pretty much like an ordinary rapping sound made by tapping one object on another to the ear, but an oscilloscope detects how different it is……So far the few who have investigated this cannot find any reasonable mechanical way of reproducing this kind of rap under the usual séance room conditions……Interesting!</p>
<p>So claiming the spirits did it makes you safer in one way, you were just used, but we can start shading over to the excuse that a bad spirit, the Devil made me do it&#8230;..not a direction we like to think about.</p>
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		<title>Death and Me</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the folks on a discussion list I'm on was talking about her difficulties in accepting the reality of death as she got older, and asked how other people coped with death, especially hoping to hear how personal experience cast some light on the issue.  I thought I'd share here what I wrote her. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the folks on a discussion list I'm on was talking about her difficulties in accepting the reality of death as she got older, and asked how other people coped with death, especially hoping to hear how personal experience cast some light on the issue.  I thought I'd share here what I wrote her.</p>
<p>My closest personal brush with death happened a few years ago when I took a new medication for my atrial fibrillation.  I started feeling funny, but had an appointment with my cardiologist &#8211; who took and EKG and then personally rushed me in a wheel chair into the Emergency Room for my heart to be shocked, as I was in ventricular fibrillation, a condition that can be fatal fairly quickly!<br />
What amazed me was how calm I was.  I talked intelligently with the doctors and nurses as they were preparing me for the shock, asking about the procedure, made sure my wife knew I was in the ER, etc., being a pleasant fellow to have around, while knowing that this could be it, I could be dead in a few minutes.  Then they drugged me with a short acting thing (Brevitol) that made me stupid and unconscious for a few minutes, during which time they shocked me.<br />
In retrospect I marveled that I was so calm about it!  Maybe just dumb luck, but my best guess was it came from two factors. One, years of vipassana meditation practice with Shinzen Young, teaching me to be open and clear about the moment, with equanimity, coupled with Gurdjieffian self-remembering practice of staying in the moment, and two, a good intellectual knowledge of the scientific evidence about survival of the spirit after death.  I summarize that evidence in one of the chapters of my recent "<em>The End of Materialism</em>" book, where I put it in the Many Maybes category, psychic stuff where there is so much evidence for its reality that it would be stupid to ignore that evidence, but enough questions on interpreting the evidence that I wouldn't feel comfortable saying it's "proven" that we survive death.  One of my thoughts in the ER was that I was personally going to find out if I survived death!<br />
If I didn't survive death, of course, I would never suffer the embarrassment of knowing I was wrong in expecting to survive.  Along with that, I don't believe in any kind of hell, no God that I believe in would be that cruel.  Difficult afterlife periods perhaps, but no eternal damnation nonsense.<br />
I would like to think I now am guaranteed to have a peaceful and spiritual death, but I know things can change too&#8230;&#8230;<br />
I hope that's at least a little helpful.  Meanwhile my wife and I do the practical stuff, like updating our Advance Directives (we don't want to be kept alive as vegetables), leaving info for our kids about our stuff, etc., and I continue my work to try to bring genuine science and genuine spirituality a little closer.</p>
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		<title>Dying &#8211; Spiritual Aspects</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of days ago I saw a beautiful and inspiring post on dying on a discussion list I am on of folks interested in trans-traditional spirituality.  The author, Don Parchuta, is a physician (Internal Medicine and Infectious Diseases) who has recently become a priest as part of his spiritual quest and service.  I asked [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of days ago I saw a beautiful and inspiring post on dying on a discussion list I am on of folks interested in trans-traditional spirituality.  The author, Don Parchuta, is a physician (Internal Medicine and Infectious Diseases) who has recently become a priest as part of his spiritual quest and service.  I asked his permission to share the essence of his post and he gave it, so feel free to pass this on if it will help anyone.  I agree with everything Dr. Parchuta said except for a scholarly quibble on one item &#8211; a very small number of Near-Death Experiences (NDEs), 5% or so, are frightening to the experiencers, although not necessarily inherently negative.  Perhaps doing most of his observations of the dying in Hawaii&#8230;&#8230;nobody has a negative experience there&#8230;..   <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/wink.png' alt='Wink' title='Wink' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
<p>Charley Tart</p>
<p>Parchuta's post, responding to a discussion elsewhere:</p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Dear Friends</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"> I hope you will find what I have to say helpful to this discussion. I have been with many dozens of dying people over the years. I have taught courses in death and dying and in my "Day of Healing" presentation I spend a couple of hours on healing the fear of dying.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"> First, I have almost never seen anyone with a chronic disease, who knew they were dying, die badly with proper medical care and medical and spiritual preparation. These folks pass on serenely and beautifully. It has been one of the greatest blessings of my life to care for them in this process.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"> Secondly, as they are dying, they leave their physical body and can translocate (some say each person has an astral body that does this). They can describe events that are happening simultaneously (e.g. a freeway accident) that they have no way of knowing from their bed in the hospital or at home. Some go to faraway places they've always wanted to visit but never have or to favorite places. Others go to places of light and indescribable beauty and peace. They will say if I walked in and sat down and touched them -"Why did you call me back &#8211; it was soooo beautiful and peaceful." Some will converse with people who have died.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"> Thirdly, Gene's experience [reference to another discussion list] is very common in some places, especially those with a high spirituality and consciousness, and culturally, open to such things, like Kauai HI, where I lived for over a decade ( Yeah, I had to leave paradise to come back and fight the RCC of Boston). I find them less common in busy urban centers but not uncommon. They take several forms  &#8211; the person at the time of death, or up to 2-3 days after goes to those they love in distant places to reassure them. Sometimes they take the form of an animal, especially a large bird, and go to their loves ones, or a butterfly hovering around a person or landing on them</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The one year anniversary of the death of a loved one is always difficult and yet people report seeing the deceased person in a dream, hearing their voice inside, an animal visit etc &#8211; always reassuring the survivor that they are OK.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Betty's experience is also not uncommon</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"> Fourthly, there is a burgeoning field called Neurotheology centered at U of  Penn medical school that seeks to show that consciousness exists outside the brain. They have some incredible reports and data.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"> Fifth, I have seen a number of people with Near Death experiences, and have read extensively on all the reports,</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;"> </span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Commonalities -</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">People travel through a tunnel of light or to light</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">The experience is ALWAYS pleasant, no judge, hellfire and brimstone</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">At the other end, others, whether relatives, friends, Jesus, or whomever, are always welcoming, never condemning, judging or scary</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">If there is a Judge &#8211; it is you judging yourself and your life &#8211; no one else</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Most people find it so wonderful they do not want to go back but are told they need to return because they have more to do</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #0000ff;">Here's the biggest mind blower -  on return, they have absolutely no fear of their actual death- any fear they had is gone &#8211; they are at peace for whenever that time comes</span></p>
<p>end of post</p>
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		<title>Attachment to Experiences</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 18:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Charles Tart Mindfulness Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, Lecture 4, Part 13 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click here. Student: I was thinking about something. I guess it actually ties in all the stuff we’ve been talking about in states of being, and I have an interesting [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Dr. Charles Tart</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Mindfulness</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Dr. Charles T. Tart, Mindfulness, Institute of Transpersonal Psychology, </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><strong>Lecture 4, Part 13 of 18 parts. To start class from beginning, click <a href="http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/68">here</a>.</strong></span></p>
<p><span style="color: #3366ff;"><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Student:	I was thinking about something.  I guess it actually ties in all the stuff we’ve been talking about in states of being, and I have an interesting problem along these lines.  I remember you mentioned that when you started reading Gurdjieff, that you had a process of waking up that was brief, and then afterwards you went around talking about it for a long time, but you weren’t really awake.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	That’s right.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	I had something like that, I guess.  I mean, I’ve been having little sort of mini-satoris recently, but in the morning, on Saturday, the very early morning – I had a very strong sort of mystical union experience.  And afterwards, I’m now feeling as though I should be able to constantly involve everything within my self-concept and feel at peace with it.  I realize that the expectation is overlapping that of my actual experience, and so it’s causing some sort of dissonance.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	I think the Tibetan Buddhists have a nice attitude toward this.  They say about </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>all</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"> experiences – whether they’re wonderful, mystical experiences or not – </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>they’re just experiences</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">.  The Tibetan term for these nice experiences is </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>nyams</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">.  If they happen and they’re nice, that’s nice.  Now get on with the real work of whatever it is we’re doing in life. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">And that’s a way of advising non-attachment to particular experiences.  I think I warned you when I first talked to you about sensing, looking, and listening – if I didn’t, I should have – that sometimes, by the time you find your arms and legs and then begin sensing, looking, and listening, sometimes it’s going to be very nice.  You’re really going to feel like, “Wow, I’m here.” </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">That’s great &#8212; but don’t hold onto it.  Don’t hold onto it in the sense of, “From now on, when you do the procedure, you want to recreate that particular feeling.”  Because then you’re no longer opening yourself to the </span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><em>now</em></span><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">, while based in your body.  You’re trying to recreate a particular feeling.  Getting caught up in trying to recreate particular feelings is where we’re stuck in the first place. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">We’re going around trying to make things nice all the time, and a lot of that is done by basically cutting ourselves off from actual reality and filling it in with fantasy of one sort or another.  Like making our vision of the whole world appear smooth, even though really there’s only a little section in the center of our vision that we see in any detail.  We need to not do that, okay?</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	It’s been my experience, though, that –</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	Oh, and if you catch yourself doing it, that’s all right.  Just go back to sensing, looking, and listening.  Guilt is optional.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">I’m sorry to interrupt, but I wanted to get that in.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;"><span style="color: #3366ff;">Student:	I mean, I can see the value in not holding onto experiences.  But at the same time, one of the things we’re here to study is </span><span style="color: #3366ff;"><em>peak experiences</em></span><span style="color: #3366ff;">.  And it’s been my experience that after a peak experience, you learn more from that experience in retrospect by reliving it.  So how do you hold onto the fruits of the experience and get more out of reflecting on this experience without holding onto the experience?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">CTT:	You experiment.  You experiment and find out what works for you.  Okay?  I mean, you want to avoid the extreme on the one hand of, “My precious experience.  No one must question my precious experience.…” – I’m grasping my ring.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">The Gollum complex is coming out!  My precious! </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">[reference to character Gollum in Tolkein's Lord of the Rings series]</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">You don’t want to grab like that and put so much sacredness and depth on it that basically everything that might threaten it in any way becomes the enemy.  Okay?  That’s way in the wrong direction.  Nor, on the other hand, do you want to just forget it. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">So while the Tibetan approach of regarding it as “just experience” is a way of not getting overly attached, you do have a chance to learn from it.  And I say a chance, because there will be some unusual experiences that you’ll have, and they’ll really clarify things for you.  They’ll move you around a little in life where you’ll be able to see things in a different way from that point on.  And there will be other unusual experiences you have where probably the main thing you learn from it is, “Gosh, it’s strange.  I don’t know what the hell that meant!”</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">So you experiment in between somewhere of how to learn from an experience without glomming onto it too much.  And it is very individual how you do that.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">So for example, I find – and some people find – there’s some experiences where you don’t want to tell people about it because something is still happening as a result of that experience.  If you tell people about it, you kind of use up the energy and end the process prematurely. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">But then there may be a time when it’s fine.  You can talk about the process.  It’s done.  And others where you don’t need to hold things like that in the first place, and others where you really need to share it because you need other people’s perspectives on it to help you work with it more effectively.  It’s very individual.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">A very good dissertation topic for someone would be to start making a wide scale collection of how do people hold sacred experiences in ways that let them continue to work their magic, and how do they do it in ways that screw up.  Ways to try and ways that you should generally avoid. </span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">I love suggesting dissertation topics.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">(Laughter)</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS', cursive;">Like you guys don’t have enough to do!</span></p>
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