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	<title>Comments on: Measures for the “Right” spiritual path, or,  An MMPI for the soul</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. Charles T. Tart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s easy to assume a &quot;Master&quot; knows everything and so everything they do and teach is perfect.  Well I wouldn&#039;t rule out the idea of perfection, but don&#039;t think it&#039;s very probable.  There&#039;s also the problem that this desire may be fueled by the childish elements in our psyche that want all knowing Mommies and Daddies, leading to all sorts of projections.  I&#039;ve always assumed G was an experimenter, and some of his experiments didn&#039;t &quot;work&quot; the way he wanted.  But there is, of course, a &quot;faithful disciple&quot; mentality that preserves everything as sacred....
Both G and the Buddha told us not to believe them, but to test their ideas and methods and see what worked for us.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s easy to assume a &#8220;Master&#8221; knows everything and so everything they do and teach is perfect.  Well I wouldn&#8217;t rule out the idea of perfection, but don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s very probable.  There&#8217;s also the problem that this desire may be fueled by the childish elements in our psyche that want all knowing Mommies and Daddies, leading to all sorts of projections.  I&#8217;ve always assumed G was an experimenter, and some of his experiments didn&#8217;t &#8220;work&#8221; the way he wanted.  But there is, of course, a &#8220;faithful disciple&#8221; mentality that preserves everything as sacred&#8230;.<br />
Both G and the Buddha told us not to believe them, but to test their ideas and methods and see what worked for us&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: David Jodrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Jodrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This theme - of empirically testing spiritual paths, candidates for them, and the results they get - is one of the recurrent threads of your work.   You discussed it in the newsletter you were running back in the 1980s, to which I was a subscriber, and which went into your 1989 book &lt;i&gt;Open Mind, Discriminating Mind.&lt;/i&gt;  (Because of a comment I sent your newsletter back then, I have the honor of appearing in the index of that book - which was called to my attention by the mother of my brother&#039;s fiancee, who was reading the book at the time her daughter became engaged.)

Quite recently, I came across a convincing argument that Gurdjieff was also using the experimental method when he was running the groups that Ouspensky attended, memorialized in the book &lt;i&gt;In Search of the Miraculous: Fragments of an Unknown Teaching.&lt;/i&gt;  In his eye-opening book &lt;i&gt;Hidden Meanings and Picture-form Language in the Writings of G.I. Gurdjieff: (Excavations of the Buried Dog)&lt;/i&gt;, John Henderson also identifies the various incarnations of &lt;b&gt;The Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man&lt;/b&gt;, prior to and including the Prieuré at Fontainebleau, as part of Gurdjieff&#039;s &quot;experimental period&quot;.   Henderson quotes G. as saying so - in conversations reported by senior students in books they wrote, as well as G.&#039;s own writing, in the only substantial piece of his work published while he was still alive and able to prevent the posthumous revisions - &quot;Wiseacreing&quot; - which G. foresaw as the inevitable fate of his writings.  

Are familiar with Henderson&#039;s book?  If you have read it, I would be very interested in your reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This theme &#8211; of empirically testing spiritual paths, candidates for them, and the results they get &#8211; is one of the recurrent threads of your work.   You discussed it in the newsletter you were running back in the 1980s, to which I was a subscriber, and which went into your 1989 book <i>Open Mind, Discriminating Mind.</i>  (Because of a comment I sent your newsletter back then, I have the honor of appearing in the index of that book &#8211; which was called to my attention by the mother of my brother&#8217;s fiancee, who was reading the book at the time her daughter became engaged.)</p>
<p>Quite recently, I came across a convincing argument that Gurdjieff was also using the experimental method when he was running the groups that Ouspensky attended, memorialized in the book <i>In Search of the Miraculous: Fragments of an Unknown Teaching.</i>  In his eye-opening book <i>Hidden Meanings and Picture-form Language in the Writings of G.I. Gurdjieff: (Excavations of the Buried Dog)</i>, John Henderson also identifies the various incarnations of <b>The Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man</b>, prior to and including the Prieuré at Fontainebleau, as part of Gurdjieff&#8217;s &#8220;experimental period&#8221;.   Henderson quotes G. as saying so &#8211; in conversations reported by senior students in books they wrote, as well as G.&#8217;s own writing, in the only substantial piece of his work published while he was still alive and able to prevent the posthumous revisions &#8211; &#8220;Wiseacreing&#8221; &#8211; which G. foresaw as the inevitable fate of his writings.  </p>
<p>Are familiar with Henderson&#8217;s book?  If you have read it, I would be very interested in your reaction.</p>
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