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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/257/comment-page-1#comment-17541</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Tart, I kind of get what you mean about words. At least today I do. I’ve discovered that how I normally experience the world changes drastically when I’m ill. I don’t see colors around things. When my husband yells at sports on TV, I can’t feel how pissed off he is. I feel very separate, and a little bit lonely. But I don’t really mind being this way too much. It would be normal if I wasn’t so sick.

Words seem so much more important when you can’t just feel what someone wants you to know. I’ve always been frustrated that words don’t seem to be as useful a way of passing along information as the way that information gets conveyed in the NDE place. Since I’m not currently having an NDE, I can’t seem to use that method of communication here very well, even at the best of times. But those odd leftover bits of the NDE place that I seem to have carried back here - the colored lights, picking up emotions, seeing people that aren’t there – still influence how I think information should be transmitted here. Without those anomalous sensations, all I have left are words. I can understand why people place so much emphasis on them now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Tart, I kind of get what you mean about words. At least today I do. I’ve discovered that how I normally experience the world changes drastically when I’m ill. I don’t see colors around things. When my husband yells at sports on TV, I can’t feel how pissed off he is. I feel very separate, and a little bit lonely. But I don’t really mind being this way too much. It would be normal if I wasn’t so sick.</p>
<p>Words seem so much more important when you can’t just feel what someone wants you to know. I’ve always been frustrated that words don’t seem to be as useful a way of passing along information as the way that information gets conveyed in the NDE place. Since I’m not currently having an NDE, I can’t seem to use that method of communication here very well, even at the best of times. But those odd leftover bits of the NDE place that I seem to have carried back here &#8211; the colored lights, picking up emotions, seeing people that aren’t there – still influence how I think information should be transmitted here. Without those anomalous sensations, all I have left are words. I can understand why people place so much emphasis on them now.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/257/comment-page-1#comment-17540</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Tart, I understand what you mean in terms of scientific writing. I’m lucky that I chose a very interdisciplinary area of study, because finding clear language that can be understood by all disciplines involved in a project is important. Not all scientists agree with this. 

About a month ago I had a meeting with a few members of my thesis committee. One individual has an expertise very close to my own (which is why he in on my committee), and he gets very annoyed at any deviation from traditional ways of presenting data. I showed my data plotted and explained in the format that he insisted on, but then I also plotted the information in a different way that made it much easier for anyone to understand the data. You didn’t need an advanced degree in a very specialized field to understand exactly what was going on in the study area the way I had plotted things. The other members of my committee were thrilled with my work because they could see how it complemented the other research being done on the study site very easily. I didn’t even have to explain the data because of the clear concise way it was presented. Unfortunately, the traditionalist on my committee is still mad at me for doing stuff in a way that he isn’t comfortable with and he thinks I made him look silly in front of the other members of my committee on purpose. (I probably will end up working at the local beer store once I have my doctorate.) 

That being said, I still find it difficult to find the language to describe my NDE. As a scientist I spend my time looking for ways to convey things that are difficult to quantify. Textures, patterns and cycles found in nature. The meaning in mud. You would think explaining what happened to me when I died wouldn’t be so hard after that, but it is. Words don’t really exist in the same way in the NDE place. Information is conveyed very differently than the way it is here. That makes it really hard to carry the experience back here in a way that can be explained and understood. It all brings me back to the fact that sometimes words really suck, at least for me they do. But I am working on that.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Tart, I understand what you mean in terms of scientific writing. I’m lucky that I chose a very interdisciplinary area of study, because finding clear language that can be understood by all disciplines involved in a project is important. Not all scientists agree with this. </p>
<p>About a month ago I had a meeting with a few members of my thesis committee. One individual has an expertise very close to my own (which is why he in on my committee), and he gets very annoyed at any deviation from traditional ways of presenting data. I showed my data plotted and explained in the format that he insisted on, but then I also plotted the information in a different way that made it much easier for anyone to understand the data. You didn’t need an advanced degree in a very specialized field to understand exactly what was going on in the study area the way I had plotted things. The other members of my committee were thrilled with my work because they could see how it complemented the other research being done on the study site very easily. I didn’t even have to explain the data because of the clear concise way it was presented. Unfortunately, the traditionalist on my committee is still mad at me for doing stuff in a way that he isn’t comfortable with and he thinks I made him look silly in front of the other members of my committee on purpose. (I probably will end up working at the local beer store once I have my doctorate.) </p>
<p>That being said, I still find it difficult to find the language to describe my NDE. As a scientist I spend my time looking for ways to convey things that are difficult to quantify. Textures, patterns and cycles found in nature. The meaning in mud. You would think explaining what happened to me when I died wouldn’t be so hard after that, but it is. Words don’t really exist in the same way in the NDE place. Information is conveyed very differently than the way it is here. That makes it really hard to carry the experience back here in a way that can be explained and understood. It all brings me back to the fact that sometimes words really suck, at least for me they do. But I am working on that.  <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Charles T. Tart</title>
		<link>http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/257/comment-page-1#comment-17539</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Charles T. Tart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are being beaten down by the scientific &quot;culture&quot; that thinks terse, hard to understand sentences are harder to understand, Sandy.  Careful there!  Fit in when appropriate, but don&#039;t let them beat you down.
&quot;Funny&quot; story.  When I was up for a routine promotion at the University, they denied it to me, in spite of my having published one book (Waking Up) and many articles in that evaluation period.  The real reason for the denial, I believe, was to punish me for daring to be interested in parapsychology.  The ostensible reason they gave - I know this is hard to believe, but they put in in writing - is that the book I wrote in that period was so clear and understandable that it couldn&#039;t be of scholarly value....   
And after all those years of trying to learn to speak English....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are being beaten down by the scientific &#8220;culture&#8221; that thinks terse, hard to understand sentences are harder to understand, Sandy.  Careful there!  Fit in when appropriate, but don&#8217;t let them beat you down.<br />
&#8220;Funny&#8221; story.  When I was up for a routine promotion at the University, they denied it to me, in spite of my having published one book (Waking Up) and many articles in that evaluation period.  The real reason for the denial, I believe, was to punish me for daring to be interested in parapsychology.  The ostensible reason they gave &#8211; I know this is hard to believe, but they put in in writing &#8211; is that the book I wrote in that period was so clear and understandable that it couldn&#8217;t be of scholarly value&#8230;.<br />
And after all those years of trying to learn to speak English&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/257/comment-page-1#comment-17538</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish words came easier for me. (BTW, how did you, as a scientist, get so good with words? Most of the people I hang out with took “English for Engineers” or “Scientific Writing” as their one required English credit :-) .) I’ve been answering questions about my NDE for a researcher recently, and I have to tell you that words suck. But I do have to admit that the time I spend writing in my blog, commenting on your blog, and discussing these topics in forums has probably helped me find better words to use to describe my experiences. There are no perfect words, but my frustration with words isn’t what it used to be.

The mindfully exercises probably help too. It is almost like getting small manageable experiences through daily meditation helps you get used to the idea of the really big experiences (like NDEs). The NDE doesn’t seem too big to think about the way it used to. I’m able to sort through it better and I can even talk about it a bit, which I couldn’t do at all just a year ago.

I still need to work on finding better words. Perhaps they need to come up with an English credit for NDErs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish words came easier for me. (BTW, how did you, as a scientist, get so good with words? Most of the people I hang out with took “English for Engineers” or “Scientific Writing” as their one required English credit <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/smile.png' alt='Smile' title='Smile' class='tse-smiley' /> .) I’ve been answering questions about my NDE for a researcher recently, and I have to tell you that words suck. But I do have to admit that the time I spend writing in my blog, commenting on your blog, and discussing these topics in forums has probably helped me find better words to use to describe my experiences. There are no perfect words, but my frustration with words isn’t what it used to be.</p>
<p>The mindfully exercises probably help too. It is almost like getting small manageable experiences through daily meditation helps you get used to the idea of the really big experiences (like NDEs). The NDE doesn’t seem too big to think about the way it used to. I’m able to sort through it better and I can even talk about it a bit, which I couldn’t do at all just a year ago.</p>
<p>I still need to work on finding better words. Perhaps they need to come up with an English credit for NDErs?</p>
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		<title>By: David D</title>
		<link>http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/257/comment-page-1#comment-17537</link>
		<dc:creator>David D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I forgot to add something important: the pauses and increased insight give room to saying more meaningful words. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I forgot to add something important: the pauses and increased insight give room to saying more meaningful words. <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/wink.png' alt='Wink' title='Wink' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: David D</title>
		<link>http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/archives/257/comment-page-1#comment-17536</link>
		<dc:creator>David D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SLL (sense/look/listen) reminds me of TSS (touch/sight/sound) which I learned from Shinzen Young&#039;s website. 

After some months of practicing awareness of TSS + FIT (feel/image/talk) in many situations, ranging from formal seated meditation to having an argument, I&#039;ve noticed that &quot;getting high on words&quot; still happens, but more and more there are small pauses in which I feel like stepping back a bit and looking more objectively at what is going on inside of me. It&#039;s great to see this progress (however slow), and to be able to point out this practical use of meditation to friends of mine who think my practice is all about escapism. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SLL (sense/look/listen) reminds me of TSS (touch/sight/sound) which I learned from Shinzen Young&#8217;s website. </p>
<p>After some months of practicing awareness of TSS + FIT (feel/image/talk) in many situations, ranging from formal seated meditation to having an argument, I&#8217;ve noticed that &#8220;getting high on words&#8221; still happens, but more and more there are small pauses in which I feel like stepping back a bit and looking more objectively at what is going on inside of me. It&#8217;s great to see this progress (however slow), and to be able to point out this practical use of meditation to friends of mine who think my practice is all about escapism. <img src='http://blog.paradigm-sys.com/wp-content/plugins/tango-smileys-extended/tango/wink.png' alt='Wink' title='Wink' class='tse-smiley' /></p>
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